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Dear Crispin and stovers, 6 May 2017<br>
<br>
Those are some wise words that you wrote. But some of the words
are not so wise. We all pick and choose where we agree.<br>
<br>
Personally (and based on some solid experience wirh stove issues),
my bets for the future of clean cookstoves for hundreds of millions
of households are the following. <br>
1) Bet #1. LPG (because of the "current" availability of the
fuel and the sources of money (as in "big oil" wirh government
backing / tax mmoney that bings profits to some, votes to others,
and somerhing desireable (LPG cooking) that has great appeal to the
"current wood-burning people " who are moving toward worthy
lifestyles that affluent people have shown to be so desireable. LPG
advocates envision converting 300 to 400 million houesholds of the
500 million HH that are srill with 3-stone and other "INADEQUATE
cooking solurions" (I say that ICS should refer to "Inadequate" and
not "Improved" cooking solutions.)<br>
<br>
2. So, Bet #2. The future fo clean cookinf solurions is NOT
wirh the "iCS" devices and fuels. There will be some sales of
chrcoal-butning stoves and some rocket stoves, but thy are pasr
techgnologies that did not solve in rhe past 40 years the cooksrove
challenges . <br>
<br>
NOTE: I hope that all readers have seen the 2017 "Classification od
Stove Technologies and Fuel" document (especilally the table).
Availacble at my websitte.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.drtlud.com/2017/04/11/classification-stove-technologies-fuels/">http://www.drtlud.com/2017/04/11/classification-stove-technologies-fuels/</a><br>
<br>
3. Bet #3. The microgasifier stoves that crete <u>woodgas </u>from
solid dry biomass (mainly wood) is the ONE combinarion of stove and
fuel that can provide QUITE CLEQN BURNING (GAS BURNING) and has
prospects to reach th the poorest and the most remote households.
Kik Smith estimates 25 million such households in India alone,
beyond the reach of the LPG efforts. That is a worthytarget for
woodgas stoves.. Make that 100 million HH world wide. And then
we will see how may other HH were not serviced by the grand plan od
LPG (my estimate is another 100 million HH).<br>
<br>
4, Bet #4. (Especially for Crispin). The stoves that
MAKEchaecoal will dominate the woodgas effoets. Thos chacoal
making stoves are TLUD stoves wirh solid biomas fuel (wood, pellets.
etc). The high turbulance "fan-jet stoves (Philips - ACE
Biolyte, and a ew others) are NOT included in the cha-making TLUD
group. IMO,They are amongy the "one-hit wonders" about which Crispn
sent his words od caution, TTRACTUBNG ATTENTION AND SOAKING UP THE
LIMIED SUPPLY of stove funding..<br>
<br>
5. Bet #5. Not about a stove, but about chaecoal. BIOCHAR is
going t0 be bigtime ecentually. And it will strengthen the appel
of the TLUD charmaking sroves. <br>
<br>
I qill have to live with thse 5 BETS or "predictions". Non are
going to happn overnight. But it ill happen faster if more of you
readers becme usupppoetive and involved. No pressure. just an
open invitation.<br>
<br>
I will be writing more about all of these issues. THIS message and
others (past and future) are easily available for long-term access
at the EPOSTS menu/tab ar my website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a> (alllow a
couple od days for th posting to appear.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/5/2017 4:06 PM, Crispin
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Dear Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I knew it
would get you excited and it is my way of issuing a gentle
warming that the ‘emphasis’ on certain types of stoves, or
‘co-benefits’ if you will, is not buying friends outside the
stove community.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">As long time
readers will realise, there are fads in the stove community
and on this list. When trying to implement something on a
large scale, all sorts of people pop up out of the
administrative woodwork who ask questions not only
unanticipated by the stove developers, they are often
directly hostile to funding stoves at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">The reasons
stove projects get an automatic thumbs-down from large
development organisations are
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:windowtext;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1">
They are too complicated<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:windowtext;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1">
They usually fail, often miserably<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:windowtext;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1">
They are not reputation builders<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="color:windowtext;margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1
lfo1">
The impact made will soon be over-run/swamped/driven into
irrelevance by [insert technology] which will solve the
entire problem.<o:p></o:p></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">One hit
wonders abound. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Something
worked for someone so it must be universally applicable,
right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I have an
idea that would work if everyone was forced to use it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I have a
unique perspective on how to solve problem [X], everyone
listen to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">You get the
idea? Bean counters don’t give a hoot about one hit wonders.
They want systematic, progressive, large scale impact that
lasts.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Now, it is
fair to debate which impact, where and at what scale. So let
me give you the low-down on interesting things happening out
there:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">The
experiment with selling char from TLUDs in India is gaining
notice. Let’s look for additional sites where it might work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">The
experiment making char powder from waste biomass and turning
it into fuel that fits a particular stove is not gaining
anything like the interest it should, even though it offers
a huge upside for avoiding the useless burning of biomass
wastes and the creation of very clean-burning stoves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">The
South-South cooperation creating the contextual testing
method(s) bringing realistic forecasts of future performance
based on well controlled lab tests is gaining recognition as
the Next Big Thing in testing. The ISO Committee for cooking
stoves will create a contextual testing protocol, if it is
not gutted by its enemies punting one-size-fits-all testing
(a-la-WBT). This approach to product selection is giving
major funders confidence that a stove programme might
actually deliver worthwhile benefits at scale. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Wars against
or in favour of particular fuels are losing ground because
of the growing realisation that only a stove-fuel
combination could possibly be rated ‘clean’. Ethanol is a
fuel that is often shown not to be very clean, and kerosene
has been unfairly labelled ‘dirty’ in the face of masses of
evidence that it is a really good, clean burning fuel.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">The first
conference in recent memory on the subject of a coal burning
stove, in Warsaw, is a major plus for a reality check. The
war on coal is a Western thing, basically. In poor, cold
Asia, they may come out of the closet more boldly and
discuss what to do about addressing poverty, IAQ and open
access to far better technologies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">None of this
prevents anyone working on any technology they please, but
keeping an eye on what the market is interested in is not
wrong. Pick your market: donors, carbon traders,
manufacturers, vendors, financiers, maybe even users. Right
now it is very easy to make a very big improvement in
people’s lives. The efficiency wave will be followed by the
electricity wave. After that we should sit down and take
stock of the Next Big Thing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Happy
hunting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Crispin and all,<br>
<br>
You had many goo comments in your discussion of Nikhel's
email. But you also wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">The stove community in Africa suffers
from two main impediments: the over-reliance on the WBT as a
way of developing and evaluating stoves, and the near
fanatical devotion to making char, as if Africa needs
char-making stoves to save itself. As one brand of
missionaries leaves Africa, another arrives to tell people
when they do and do not sin.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
My comments are only about <o:p></o:p></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal">The stove community in Africa suffers
from .... the near fanatical devotion to making char, as if
Africa needs char-making stoves to save itself.
<o:p></o:p></p>
</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe you meant to say ... as if Africa
needs char BURNING stoves to save itself. -------- That
would be true. Charcoal burning stoves are disastorous to
Africa, Hait, and many other places.<br>
<br>
But you wrote ..... charr-MAKING stoves ....... Which can
only mean TLUD stoves. Well,there is certainly no
"near fanatical devociton" to char-making stoves. There
is near fanatical devotion to the STANDARD and traditional
ways of making char, that is, the ways that do not use the
heat, but just waste the energy.<br>
<br>
But that is not the case of the TLUD stoves that are
:char-MAKING". <br>
<br>
Please clarify your comments.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Website: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5/5/2017 11:16 AM, Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Dear Nikhil<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I have had a little time to check on
some things. I agree with your perspectives:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>"Clean energy" is a deliberate
betrayal of poor people. <o:p>
</o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Agreed because 'clean energy' is based
on the concept of 'clean fuel' which is a misnomer - only
combustion systems with fuel can be judged to be clean.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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