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Crispin,<br>
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That is the third different year you have stated. I will base my
commnets on the 1987 date.<br>
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The correction of the date means:<br>
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1. 1987 preceeds Wendelbo's stated 1988 start. Therefore, it did
not come from him. An no realistic chance to have been influenced
by Reed's work that stated in 1985.<br>
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2. So it all boils down to you finding some evidence about what you
saw in Kampala in 1987. No evidence means it is only what you say
you remember of what you think you saw 30 years ago, and that does
not make it into the recorded history of what is now called TLUD
technology. Evidence please.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/28/2017 3:58 AM, Crispin
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<div><b>From: </b>Paul Anderson</div>
<div><b>Sent: </b>Sunday, May 28, 2017 03:35</div>
<div><b>To: </b>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves;
Nolbert Muhumuza</div>
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<div id="_originalContent" style="">Crispin, please clarify.<br>
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1. We agree that Wendelbo started in 1988 in Norway and was
successful <br>
in northern Uganda in the mid to late 1990s.<br>
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2. So, anything in Kampala by 2007 is AFTER Wendelbo. So you
cannot <br>
call that 2007 activity "predecessor technology." Any TLUD-style
<br>
stoves in Kampala in 2007 could have sprung from Wendelbo's
earlier work.<br>
<br>
3. Please provde some (any) documentation about the 2007 stoves
that <br>
you mention.<br>
<br>
4. In 2009 the PCIA Forum was in Kampala. I was there and showed
TLUD <br>
stoves (Champion style). Karsten Bechtel of CREEC was there, and
from <br>
that interaction (with some kind words from Christa Roth, I am
sure), <br>
the proposal for World Bank's BEIA funding was prepared for the
TLUD <br>
project by CREEC (the first and only such funding for a TLUD
project), <br>
with me as technical advisor, that gave rise to the Mwoto TLUD
stove. <br>
The BEIA project ended in August 2012, and Awamu started in Sept
and so <br>
did Mwoto Factories (with Awamu continuing still).<br>
<br>
5. But never in those 2009 and later years did anyone in Kampala
or on <br>
a listserv comment about some TLUD stoves in Kampala in 2007.
Some sort <br>
of supportive evidence is requested. Such stoves COULD have been
there <br>
(with probable roots traced to Wendelbo). But we need some
support for <br>
your statement.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<br>
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><br>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br>
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><br>
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On 5/27/2017 1:04 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
> Dear Friends<br>
><br>
> This is very clear as to date:<br>
><br>
> "I began my serious work with stoves back in Norway in 1988
before my next employment started. I began utilizing the fire
technology I learned during the war ."<br>
><br>
> Interestingly, there was already established by Nov <font
color="#de0021">1987</font> in Kampala a food cooking stove
which was a TLUD burning vertically stacked bound bundles of
reeds in a cylindrical ombustion chamber. The commercial fuel
supply chain was developed as well, not just a prototype
prototype.<br>
><br>
> The stove was mostly being used as a restaurant
(commercial) cooking system. The charge of fuel was packed into
the metal cylinder standing vertically and top-lit. It had
secondary air provided above the fuel.<br>
><br>
> While I understand and appreciate the work Paal did, it is
also fair to mention this predecessor technology and to search
for those who developed it and the story of the non-woody fuel
preparation. There is a great deal of biomass around Kampala in
the form of reeds and bullrushes which served as the fuel
source.<br>
><br>
> Given that this system has all the elements of a 'modern'
TLUD cooking stove I think it deserves a mention in the stove
wiki, with a note asking people to locate additional information
and perhaps a working sample.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> Crispin<br>
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