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Roman";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Dear Tom,<br>
<br>
I understand that the WBT is part of a larger system with KPT
and CCT. However,
that doesn't make the WBT results more useful or correct. The
other tests only help hide its flaws.<br>
<br>
I know you asked:<br style="mso-special-character:line-break">
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
New";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">what specifically would you change
to simulate
stove performance while<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier
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mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">cooking? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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New Roman";mso-fareast-language:
EN-GB">I will answer that underneath, but before that I want to
stress that we
have to divide the two actions:<br>
<br>
1) recognising a system that is flawed, and stop promoting it<br>
2) find suitable testing protocol(s) to replace the flawed <br>
<br>
We do not have to finish point 2 before we implement point 1. We
can stop
promoting the WBT before selecting an appropriate other
protocol. There is
plenty of scientific evidence to consider the WBT not suitable
as international
standard.<br>
<br>
The remainder of this message is to answer your question. It is
my opinion on point
2, ‘what is a suitable protocol’. However, it only covers what I
have
experience with and I understand that other systems may prove
more suitable. This
is not something I currently wish to debate about :-) But I do
not want to leave you
without my answer:<br>
<br>
I would suggest to start from the Controlled Cooking Test and
drop boiling and
simmering. Boiling (adding energy) and simmering (overcoming
energy losses) are
fundamentally different and as we see in the WBT dealing with
simmering is very
easy to get wrong scientifically.<br>
<br>
So, onto the Controlled Cooking Test (using standard cooking
practices for your
target customers) I would add something scientifically more
robust like cooking
power such that 'boiling' and 'simmering' can be described in
something lab
reproducible such as power in Watts (energy per second).<br>
<br>
Luckily, it already exists. HTP does the reproducible tests and
calculations.
The Indonesian Stove program is a perfect example of an adoption
to local
cooking practises.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Jiddu<br>
<br>
(I’m on holiday next week so please excuse me if I don’t find
time to reply)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre wrap="">Message: 3
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 07:53:38 -0700
From: "Tom Miles" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"><tmiles@trmiles.com></a>
To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org></a>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Advocacy action: ask the GACC to stop promoting,
the WBT
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Jiddu,
The WBT (boiling and simmering) is not a stand-alone measure of a stove.
Taken together - the WBT, Kitchen Performance Test, and Controlled Cooking
Test -what specifically would you change to simulate stove performance while
cooking?
Tom
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