<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Nikhil, <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">any ‚stove‘ is an assembly of two functional parts that need to fit together and be adapted to the local fuels and the local pots/cooking habits: heat-generator + heat transfer structure. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">this version of the 'ELSA stove' assembly is designed and optimised for the Ghana requirements in that particular area and the interest of the ASA initiative to assist farming communities to get access to biochar: </div><div class=""><ul class=""><li class="">it is designed to provide biochar for the smallholder farmers, who are cultivating oil palms as cash crop, and corn/veggies etc. for subsistence. thus the operating principle of the burner is a biochar-making TLUD:</li><li class="">the fuel burner/combustion devices are optimised for the palm kernel shells that the palm oil processing communities have as a residue they can’t use elsewhere, yet it can also be used with the pellets manufactured at very small scale by the ASA initiative. this ‚stove' functions as a biochar-making TLUD, so the 'fuel container' is the metal recipient where you fill the fuel in and then light it at the top. you can also call it the TLUD firechamber/ burner/combustion device, as it is where the flame comes out and the char remains inside after the pyrolysis providing the burnable gas is through. </li><li class="">the pot-holding structure is designed to accommodate both round and flat bottom pots, as both are frequent in the area.but the pot holding structure in charge of the heat transfer to the pot is de-linked from the fuel container/firechamber/burner, as the weight of the pot sits on the sturdy outer structure. </li></ul></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am sure the stove was not reviewed by D-Lab as it is only manufactured locally for the local communities and would not be transferrable ‚as is‘ to other areas. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is a really great initiative, driven by people with enthusiasm, passion and vision, but very little money, as they don’t have access to funding, once the EU-funded research project BiocharPlus ended last year. It provided the science behind and the local crew adapted it in a participatory process with the users to come up with something that the users really like. you find more on the stove and the project on <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/biocharplusproject/" class="">https://sites.google.com/site/biocharplusproject/</a> </div><div class="">happy reading</div><div class="">Christa</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 10.08.2017 um 15:45 schrieb Nikhil Desai <<a href="mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com" class="">pienergy2008@gmail.com</a>>:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Christa: <div class=""><br class="">Thank you for the clarification. What are "fuel containers"? And what is the size/type range they can take? <br class=""><br class="">I wonder if this stove was reviewed by the D-Lab people for GACC. <br class=""><br class="">Nikhil</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font face="georgia, serif" class="">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br class="">Nikhil Desai</font></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small" class="">(US +1) 202 568 5831</span><font face="georgia, serif" class=""><br class=""><i class="">Skype: nikhildesai888</i><br class=""></font><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 9:05 AM, CHRISTA ROTH <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:stoves@foodandfuel.info" target="_blank" class="">stoves@foodandfuel.info</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Actually the stove is shown twice on that webpage, but I agree it is not very prominently featured and you need to know what you are looking for.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also the info on the webpage is misleading when it comes to the pricing. I confirmed with Veronica Kitty from the ASA intitative that t<b class="">he 250 USD of the loan is for FIVE stoves</b>. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So each complete double-burner stove costs 50 USD and there is not much profit margin on it. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For cost efficiency ASA prefers to give out larger loans and use group coherence as a collateral, thus the loan size of 250 USD received by one person on behalf of a group of five people.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is the photo on the website showing the double burner in the phase of lighting one of the two fuel containers, so the potsupports from sturdy re-inforcement bars are not yet on. <div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:9B93822F-CC48-433D-9848-B22F30C34DF7"><Bildschirmfoto 2017-08-10 um 14.54.26.png></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">below is a photo of the double-burner stove after cooking, when it can also be used as a table...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span id="cid:9FEF9402-8FB2-4349-BAC4-F2A2A74F9CEF"><20161114_132635.jpeg></span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope that clarifies some questions raised</div><div class="">best regards</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Christa</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></font></span><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Am 10.08.2017 um 08:11 schrieb Dr.Ch.ADAM <<a href="mailto:scda2@t-online.de" target="_blank" class="">scda2@t-online.de</a>>:</div><br class="m_122525482881268853Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><p style="margin:0px" class=""> </p></div></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class=""><p style="margin:0px" class=""> </p><p style="margin:0px" class=""> </p>
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