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    I thank Trevor of the Biochar Listserv for introducing the topic.  
    It is a worthy topic for the Stoves list, also.     Trevor wrote:<br>
    <br>
    <span>>>>I've just seen Paul Hawkin present his pitch for
      Project Drawdown...</span>
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                    size="4"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                      href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zaTGMl11hs"
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                      v=0zaTGMl11hs</a></font><br>
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              <p><span>Long but compelling viewing.</span></p>
              <p><span><br>
                </span></p>
              <p><span>I'm keen to hear from our resident biochar
                  climate change gurus on biochar review methodology,
                  ranking and placement under 'food' when it could also
                  reside under energy, land use and materials.</span></p>
              <p><span><font size="4"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://www.drawdown.org/solutions/food/biochar">http://www.drawdown.org/solutions/food/biochar</a></font><br>
                </span></p>
              <p><span><br>
                </span></p>
              <p>In his presentation, they declare v.conservative
                approach to measurement. Should the biochar community of
                experts be engaging more closely with this initiative?</p>
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        <div style="color: #fff; height: 0;">Thanks for pointing out
          these two videos.   First one is 1 hr 17 minutes.   And I
          stayed with it to the end.  Very informative.   Second one is
          also over an hour, but in the first 6 minutes I determined
          that it is a repeat of the same talk to a different group. 
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    Thanks for pointing out these two videos.   First one is 1 hr 17
    minutes.   And I stayed with it to the end.  Very informative.  
    Second one is also over an hour, but in the first 6 minutes I
    determined that it is a repeat of the same talk to a different
    group.  <br>
    You should look at one of them, and I refer to the first one..<br>
    <br>
    At minute 32:26 there is a list of the top 20 Drawdown ""ways"
    (approaches??).   Well worth studying (and is discussed in the
    subsequent few slides and minutes.   Numbers linke #1 (refrigeration
    and AC ) is listed as 89 GT (gigatonnnes CO2e) by the year 2050,
    which is 30 years away from 2020 (their starting point).  Correct me
    if I am wrong, but that is 89 GT TOTAL in those 30 years, not 89 GT
    per year.<br>
    <br>
    And the grand total is 1051 GT ,   See the summary table at:<br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.drawdown.org/solutions-summary-by-rank">http://www.drawdown.org/solutions-summary-by-rank</a><br>
    <br>
    #10 is rooftop solar, at 24 GT.<br>
    <br>
    #20 is nuclear (admitedly controversial) at 16 GT.    <br>
    <br>
    and #21 is Clean Cookstoves, at 15.8 GT <br>
    <br>
    The top 20 account for about 75% of the total drawdown being
    discussed.   MANY other ways are in small numbers of GT.   Of
    special note is #72 Biochar, calculated as 0.8 GT by 2050.<br>
    <br>
    This is all for discussion.<br>
    <br>
    My calculations about TLUD stoves that earn carbon credits and
    produce charcoal are:<br>
    <br>
    1.  Goal of 250 MILLION stoves by 2030, but just say it is to be by
    2050.   <br>
    2.  Each stove earns 4 carbon credits (each is 1 tonne CO2e) per
    year.   That would be 1000 Million tonnes.   Which is 1 GT .....  
    PER YEAR!!<br>
    <br>
    3.  Do that for 30 years and that becomes 30 GT.      WHAT IS
    THIS?        Just the TLUD stoves for poor people could be double
    what is calculated by the Drawdown book.<br>
    <br>
    So, Please correct me about any errors by me.    Let each Listserv
    do its own discussion.<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/27/2017 9:47 PM,
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:trevor@soilcarbon.org.nz">trevor@soilcarbon.org.nz</a> [biochar] wrote:<br>
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            <p><span>I've just seen Paul Hawkin present his pitch for
                Project Drawdown...</span></p>
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                  204);font-family:Calibri;font-size:18.6667px;"
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            <p><span>Long but compelling viewing.</span></p>
            <p><span><br>
              </span></p>
            <p><span>I'm keen to hear from our resident biochar climate
                change gurus on biochar review methodology, ranking and
                placement under 'food' when it could also reside under
                energy, land use and materials.</span></p>
            <p><span><font size="4"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
                    href="http://www.drawdown.org/solutions/food/biochar"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.drawdown.org/solutions/food/biochar</a></font><br>
              </span></p>
            <p><span><br>
              </span></p>
            <p>In his presentation, they declare v.conservative approach
              to measurement. Should the biochar community of experts be
              engaging more closely with this initiative?</p>
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    font-weight: 700;
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    font-weight: 700;
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    font-family: Verdana;
    font-weight: 700;
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    font-size: 0;
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    float: left;
    width: 72px;
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    border: 1px solid #666666;
    height: 62px;
    overflow: hidden;
    width: 62px;
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    color: #666666;
    font-size: 10px;
    overflow: hidden;
    text-align: center;
    white-space: nowrap;
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    font-weight: 700;
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    font-weight: 700;
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    padding: 0px;
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    padding: 6px 0;
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    padding: 0 0 0 8px;
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