<div dir="ltr">Ron:<br><br>I submit there is no such things as "international standards" until incorporated in national regulations, if any enforcement is intended. The real thankless work will come after ISO issues standards in persuading that these be adopted in national regulations, especially when they won't be incorporated in US regulations. <br><br>There are many countries where appliance and equipment standards of manufacturing countries are adopted by some blanket agreement or if the government itself buys under external finance from countries or multi-lateral institutions (e.g. power plant or mining/manufacturing equipment.) <br><br>I agree with you that the concept of Tiers is awful. Consensus or not. <br><br>Nikhil<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="georgia, serif">------------------------------------------------------------------------ <br></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Ronal W. Larson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Xavier et al</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4234259986347705141Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I’d like to insert a different slant. Setting international “standards” (in this case only something on recommended test procedures and this weird thing called a “Tier”) is generally considered by people I have talked to as one of the least desirable ways for any intelligent person to spend their time. To volunteer (few get paid), you have to really believe in the importance of the cause. </div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4234259986347705141Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>To say that for efficiencies to be identified by Tiers (0….4, 5) linearly related to nominal efficiencies measured by decades (10, 20,….50) doesn’t strike me as bizarre. Anyone have a better set of tiers? Anyone think that the concept of tiers is awful?</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4234259986347705141Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I believe you will find that ANSI and ISO staff do not find it easy to fill the ranks of standard reviewers. There are many who have and will join to advance their own businesses. There is big money to be made with standards that influence purchases. Thanks to Sally and Ranyee for taking on these thankless jobs.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4234259986347705141Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>So, I trust you will agree that not everyone who says they want to be involved should be involved.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4234259986347705141Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I agree with you that protocol development will occur outside the ISO process - AND HAS - especially for the stove world.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4234259986347705141Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>By chance I today independently found the Lima accord cite: <a href="http://www.pciaonline.org/testing/lima-consensus" target="_blank">http://www.pciaonline.org/<wbr>testing/lima-consensus</a>. The key word is “consensus”.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4234259986347705141Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>This was cited in a Jetter et al 2012 paper at: <a href="http://heatkit.com/research/downloads/cookstove%20rankings%20jetter2012.pdf" target="_blank">http://heatkit.com/<wbr>research/downloads/cookstove%<wbr>20rankings%20jetter2012.pdf</a> Kirk Smith is a co-author.</div><div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><div class="h5"><div><span class="m_4234259986347705141Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span> </div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>