<div dir="ltr">Ron: <br><br>Re: "what GACC is and has been doing", could you start off a new thread? <br><br>Think it's time to ask for a post-2020 budget and business plan (which may be the idea behind CCF next month)? Given the E&EN/WP stories, escalating the climate angle may be a good move -- "To hell with this EPA, we are going to go full blast now with help from European governments and climate-active foundations." <br><br>It is just about ten years since Jacob Moss prepared an unpublished $20 m business plan to take PCIA to a new host and started talking to UNF, which wanted to transition to a professional service firm for consulting projects. <br><br>In 2009, he took it to Gina McCarthy, then to Hillary Clinton, whose staff commissioned an external evaluation of a parallel idea of 1 million women entrepreneurs selling both cookstoves and solar lanterns. <br><br>I happened to be visiting Washington in July 2009 from my exile in the South Pacific, whence I happen to remember this "cookstoves and lanterns" plan. I was reminded again by EcoZoom presentation at the webinar. (Yes, I did listen in and asked a question about pricing strategy and donor demands for strategy and results, which wasn't answered.)<br><br>This was also why I mentioned in a couple of earlier posts that Ivanka, Chelsea, Melania and Hillary could work together for the next phase of GACC. <br><br>Paul: <br><br>Yes, the EcoZoom story was about non-grant retail entrepreneurship and combining "electricity access", the other contract at UN Foundation, with "improved cookstoves". If you recall Kirk Smith's second epiphany, one strong prevalent wind has been - "Biomass stoves are better but not good enough and in any case they don't command a delivery chain like LPG or electricity." If not the technology, then the insistence on "market-based", "results-based" distribution strategies will get in the way of the poor. <br><br>For Kirk Smith, this comes through in his insistence on "truly health protective" (whatever that means, perhaps WHO PM2.5 hourly average emission rate as tested by Bekeley WBT) and "no stacking" (creating, at least in India, a two-class society, a cooking apartheid so to speak, with those who make a complete transition to LPG and the rest quarter billion or so who wait for savior stoves blessed by WHO). <br><br>Sometime between late 2012 and 2014 (from GBD 2010 published in Lancet 2012 to WHO HFC SFU Guidelines), the "clean cookstoves" agenda was hijacked by WHO for quantification at the stove level, divorced from "women entrepreneurs", and turned into a marketing campaign for World LP Gas Association. (I confess I wrote something similar first in 2005/6.) Let's not kid ourselves. Stoves are local solutions to local problems, varying by contexts, and the "global" promises are false, based on false premises. Even for CDR, biochar has to be proven in local contexts for feedstock quality and alternative uses, revenue streams. (I might go back into the REDD and LULUCF literature research, but it bores me to sleep.) <br><br>Nikhil<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="georgia, serif"> <br></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Ronal W. Larson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Paul and list:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5143099172176577866Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I agree on all you have added. </div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5143099172176577866Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>My purpose in flagging yesterday’s GACC event was to try to get us more attuned to what GACC is and has been doing. There aren’t many groups that can pull that off for the stove community (certainly not this list). The biochar community is served by IBI - with their own regular set of webinars - but the biochar community has been somewhat divorced from char-making stoves.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5143099172176577866Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>By our getting more involved with GACC, we can get more attention paid to climate issues I think - with carbon negativity through stoves only available with TLUDs. I can’t see that this aspect of TLUDs is getting much attention.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5143099172176577866Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>GACC has two more upcoming webinars in roughly two weeks - on LPG and solar cooking (18th and 21st). Which is good.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_5143099172176577866Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Something more soon on the Gold Standard.</div><div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><br></div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class=""><div>On Sep 6, 2017, at 10:23 PM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_5143099172176577866Apple-interchange-newline"></span><div>
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Ron,<br>
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I attended the webinar. It was not about stove technology, but
about how to make a stove company grow. <br>
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The webinar was interesting and worthwhile. But some aspects of
EcoZoom's history were not mentioned. And never mentioned is that
the stoves are made in China by Mr Shen's (Chen's ?) company in
conjunction with Aprovecho. So the EcoZoom story of the recent
years (the topic of the webinar) was about marketing and sales
challenges and successes.<br>
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Paul<br>
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