<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Paul, </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I concur that recognition that drawdown is an essential aspect of addressing or climate challenges will create value for pyrolytic carbon. Well worth discussing. We do not operate in a silo unrelated to others. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks, </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Jock<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Jock Gill </span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">P.O. Box 3</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Peacham </span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">VT 05862</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Cell: 617-449-8111</span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Regenerate the Commons </span></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><br></span></div><div><br></div></div><div><br>On Sep 11, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Dear Andrew, (and Tom M, and Ronal and others)<br>
<br>
Below is my reply to a message (further down) about the subject of
stoves and carbon. <br>
<br>
Would you consider the message below to be what should be at the
Stoves Listserv? I believe that the content below is too far off
topic for Stovers to find acceptable.<br>
<br>
I would LOVE to have Stovers discuss this with me and others, but I
think this content needs a different home. And not even on the
Biochar Listserv (which talks much about microbes and nutirents and
crop yields, and not much about carbon drawdown issues.)<br>
<br>
Why is this so important to me? I believe that there will be
(eventually) more financing of clean cookstoves (TLUDs in
particular) from carbon financing issues and climate change than
there has been or will be from the "standard" supporters of clean
cookstoves. If Stovers (readers of this Listserv) do not want to
talk about it here, the conversation needs to go elsewhere.<br>
<br>
Comments are welcome from all. <br>
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Dear Shengar,<br>
<br>
Thank you for the input.<br>
<br>
World figures are that about 3 billion persons have meals prepared
on solid fuel (mostly biomass). Family size (especially
HOUSEHOLD size, referring to the number of people who eat
together) should be 5 or 6, which would put the number of
households between 600 million and 500 million. Those are the
numbers that I prefer to use.<br>
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I agree with nearly a kilo of char produced per day per TLUD stove
(confirmed in Deganga, India, study). 365 days would yield about
a third of on ton of char per household. 3 household become a
ton/yr. 30,000 HH would be 10,000 tons. 300,000,000 HH (about
half of the needed cookstoves) would be 100,000,000 tons.<br>
<br>
So it would take 10 years to reach one GIGA ton, which is
1,000,000,000 tons. (Please check my math.)<br>
<br>
In the Drawdown project, the time period is 2020 to2050, which is
3 decade, or "potentially" 3 gigatons of char sequestration.<br>
<br>
3 GT is only 1/5th of the GT calculated for ALL cookstoves, and
over 3 times more that what was calcualted for ALL biochar by
2050. Clearly there is more to the drawdown calculations than the
simple numbers above.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/11/2017 1:27 AM, shengar <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shengar@aol.com" moz-do-not-send="true">shengar@aol.com</a> [biochar] wrote:<br>
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<div>The ballpark numbers I think Albert Bates has
crunched but I play with these numbers:</div>
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<div>About 1 billion households cook with biomass, so if
all had TLUDs, producing about a kilo per day of
biochar that would be some one million tons per day,
365 million tons per year, a gigaton of CO2 every 3
years. (accounting for other greenhouse gas reductions
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<div id="edo-meta">On Sep 10, 2017 at 9:29 AM, <<a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Paul Anderson
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<p> Dear Stovers and Biochar folk,<br>
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The financial part of advancing the TLUD stove
situation (IMO) keeps coming back to the value
of carbon offsets generated. But that topic is
too thinly related to the purpose of the Stoves
Listserv or the Biochar Listserve. So I will
sending this message. <br>
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The <u>stoves-related carbon-issues discussion
</u>(generating carbon credits, global drawdown,
etc) need discussion. So I request some
assistance to find where this can be discussed.
Does such a place already exist?<br>
<br>
Also, who among us want to be into that OTHER
discussion? Paul, Ron, and who else?<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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