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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>This topic is relevant. Several stove suppliers have made the investment in certification and third party verification of carbon credits based on fossil fuel offsets. If biochar is included it could provide additional benefits which we should account for even if there is currently little or no monetary benefit for carbon sequestration. Some stove suppliers have created carbon offset markets based on their own (sometimes internal) verification system for biochar and sold the “offsets” to voluntary contributors. If this is going to become a credible “voluntary” standard than the protocol for measuring and accounting for biochar must be consistent.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Tom <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='color:windowtext'> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Anderson<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 11, 2017 8:06 AM<br><b>To:</b> Stoves and biofuels network <Stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Subject:</b> [Stoves] Is this Off Topic?? Fwd: Re: [biochar] Where to discuss STOVES AND CARBON offsets and drawdown<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Andrew, (and Tom M, and Ronal and others)<br><br>Below is my reply to a message (further down) about the subject of stoves and carbon. <br><br>Would you consider the message below to be what should be at the Stoves Listserv? I believe that the content below is too far off topic for Stovers to find acceptable.<br><br>I would LOVE to have Stovers discuss this with me and others, but I think this content needs a different home. And not even on the Biochar Listserv (which talks much about microbes and nutirents and crop yields, and not much about carbon drawdown issues.)<br><br>Why is this so important to me? I believe that there will be (eventually) more financing of clean cookstoves (TLUDs in particular) from carbon financing issues and climate change than there has been or will be from the "standard" supporters of clean cookstoves. If Stovers (readers of this Listserv) do not want to talk about it here, the conversation needs to go elsewhere.<br><br>Comments are welcome from all. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>Paul<br>-------- Forwarded Message -------- <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Subject: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Re: [biochar] Where to discuss STOVES AND CARBON offsets and drawdown<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Date: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:53:11 -0500<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>From: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Paul Anderson <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"><psanders@ilstu.edu></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>To: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>, Doc Anderson <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"><psanders@ilstu.edu></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>Dear Shengar,<br><br>Thank you for the input.<br><br>World figures are that about 3 billion persons have meals prepared on solid fuel (mostly biomass). Family size (especially HOUSEHOLD size, referring to the number of people who eat together) should be 5 or 6, which would put the number of households between 600 million and 500 million. Those are the numbers that I prefer to use.<br><br>I agree with nearly a kilo of char produced per day per TLUD stove (confirmed in Deganga, India, study). 365 days would yield about a third of on ton of char per household. 3 household become a ton/yr. 30,000 HH would be 10,000 tons. 300,000,000 HH (about half of the needed cookstoves) would be 100,000,000 tons.<br><br>So it would take 10 years to reach one GIGA ton, which is 1,000,000,000 tons. (Please check my math.)<br><br>In the Drawdown project, the time period is 2020 to2050, which is 3 decade, or "potentially" 3 gigatons of char sequestration.<br><br>3 GT is only 1/5th of the GT calculated for ALL cookstoves, and over 3 times more that what was calcualted for ALL biochar by 2050. Clearly there is more to the drawdown calculations than the simple numbers above.<br><br>Paul<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 9/11/2017 1:27 AM, shengar <a href="mailto:shengar@aol.com">shengar@aol.com</a> [biochar] wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=ygrp-mlmsg><div id=ygrp-msg><div id=ygrp-text><div id=edo-message><div><p class=MsoNormal>The ballpark numbers I think Albert Bates has crunched but I play with these numbers:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>About 1 billion households cook with biomass, so if all had TLUDs, producing about a kilo per day of biochar that would be some one million tons per day, 365 million tons per year, a gigaton of CO2 every 3 years. (accounting for other greenhouse gas reductions when biochar is put in soil)<br>And increased rates of soil carbon sequestration<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id=edo-original><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id=edo-meta><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Sep 10, 2017 at 9:29 AM, <<a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com">Paul Anderson psanders@ilstu.edu [biochar]</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div id=ygrp-text><p>Dear Stovers and Biochar folk,<br><br>The financial part of advancing the TLUD stove situation (IMO) keeps coming back to the value of carbon offsets generated. But that topic is too thinly related to the purpose of the Stoves Listserv or the Biochar Listserve. So I will sending this message. <br><br>The <u>stoves-related carbon-issues discussion </u>(generating carbon credits, global drawdown, etc) need discussion. So I request some assistance to find where this can be discussed. Does such a place already exist?<br><br>Also, who among us want to be into that OTHER discussion? Paul, Ron, and who else?<br><br>Paul<o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></blockquote></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:white'>__._,_.___<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='margin-top:7.5pt' id=fromDMARC><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=5 width="100%" noshade style='color:#E3E3E3' align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal>Posted by: shengar <a href="mailto:shengar@aol.com"><shengar@aol.com></a> <o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=5 width="100%" noshade style='color:#E3E3E3' align=center></div></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=5 cellpadding=0><tr><td style='padding:5.25pt 3.75pt 3.75pt 3.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal 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