<div dir="ltr">Philip: <br><br>Perhaps that is what Gold Standard sells -- lucrative "independent auditor" for verification and certification, in addition to its own brand? <br><br>During a webinar, I asked Gold Standard the legal basis for their claim to be a certification and standards body. Not just anybody can make such a claim; there has to be an explicit grant of authority to a private entity. <br><br>I was told I would get an answer by e-mail. <br><br>No luck yet.<br><br>Nikhil </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="georgia, serif">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Nikhil Desai</font></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">(US +1) 202 568 5831</span><font face="georgia, serif"><br><i>Skype: nikhildesai888</i><br></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 2:26 AM, <a href="mailto:plloyd@mweb.co.za">plloyd@mweb.co.za</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:plloyd@mweb.co.za" target="_blank">plloyd@mweb.co.za</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Just a note of warning- carbon credits can be a chimera. We have a Gold Standard cc project that is sitting on $500 000 of credits because nearly all of that will go to pay an indepedent auditor to verify the credits. If the value of carbon moves up, there may be a case for claiming, but right now there is an Impasse.<br>Philip Lloyd<br><br>Sent from my Huawei Mobile<div class="m_-1551416975817257508quote" style="line-height:1.5"><div><div class="h5"><br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] Where to discuss STOVES AND CARBON offsets and drawdown<br>From: Paul Anderson <u></u><br>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <u></u><br>CC: <br><br><br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="m_-1551416975817257508quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">Andrew,<br><br>Again you are correct about carbon credits. But you are trying to <br>UN-link stove carbon credits from the issues of climate change and <br>Drawdown, about which we must also discuss these char-producing (and <br>very clean burning) TLUD stoves.<br><br>The readers of the Stoves Listservs and the moderators (all very great <br>people) have repeatedly rejected that the drawdown / climate change <br>issues should be fully aired on this Stoves Listserv.<br><br>Please realize the difference. Case 1: Some charcoal stoves (as in <br>the Uga Stove in Uganda that received great praise for being the first <br>carbon credit / Gold Standard project for stoves) earn 1 or 1.5 carbon <br>credits per year for using LESS charcoal, but that charcoal is STILL <br>produced very poorly via traditional char-making methods. Case 2: <br>The TLUD stoves (as in the ChampionTLUD in India) is earning 4 (as in <br>FOUR) carbon credits per year for using LESS biomas (wood) fuel from <br>sustainable sources AND YIELDING CHARCOAL that has economic value AND <br>value for carbon credits (2 of those 4 carbon credits).<br><br>Simply bringing up this previous paragraph is pushing the limits of what <br>is the purpose of the Stoves Listserv. And if the purpose were to be <br>expanded, we would lose some Stoves readers. I am looking for where <br>people are already discussing drawdown and climate change AND would <br>welcome the stoves contribution.<br><br>All comments are welcome.<br><br>Paul<br><br>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<br>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><br>Skype: paultlud Phone: <a href="tel:(309)%20452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank">+1-309-452-7072</a><br>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a><br><br>On 9/10/2017 2:02 PM, Andrew Heggie wrote:<br></div></div><div><div class="h5">> On 10 September 2017 at 18:53, Paul Anderson <u></u> wrote:<br>>> Andrew,<br>>><br>>> You have stated (correctly) the precise reason that I do NOT want to conduct<br>>> the needed discussions on the Stoves Listserv.<br>>><br>>> The needed discussion is regardless of whether the TLUD stoves are used for<br>>> making biochar or for sequestering char or for simply needing less wood for<br>>> the cooking tasks.<br>><br>> I'm surprised at your reply Paul, I don't understand why you feel that<br>> my reason is precisely why you don't want to discuss carbon credits on<br>> here.<br>><br>> Carbon credits exist just as much as other subsidies which are<br>> applicable to stoves.<br>><br>> Andrew<br>><br>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>> Stoves mailing list<br>><br>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br>> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org</a><br>><br>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br>> <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_<wbr>lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br>><br>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br>> <a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.<wbr>org/</a><br>><br><br><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.<wbr>org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_<wbr>lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.<wbr>org/</a><br><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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