<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">And who get the credits? The industry that sends the biomass out to be made into char? The char maker that turned it into a resistant carbon form? ? or the char user? <div class="">If not the char user then the char made could be used for cooking and returned back to the atmosphere. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank Shields</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 10, 2017, at 11:26 PM, <a href="mailto:plloyd@mweb.co.za" class="">plloyd@mweb.co.za</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Just a note of warning- carbon credits can be a chimera. We have a Gold Standard cc project that is sitting on $500 000 of credits because nearly all of that will go to pay an indepedent auditor to verify the credits. If the value of carbon moves up, there may be a case for claiming, but right now there is an Impasse.<br class="">Philip Lloyd<br class=""><br class="">Sent from my Huawei Mobile<div class="quote" style="line-height: 1.5"><br class=""><br class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class="">Subject: Re: [Stoves] [biochar] Where to discuss STOVES AND CARBON offsets and drawdown<br class="">From: Paul Anderson <psanders@ilstu.edu class=""><br class="">To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org class=""><br class="">CC: <br class=""><br class=""><br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Andrew,<br class=""><br class="">Again you are correct about carbon credits. But you are trying to <br class="">UN-link stove carbon credits from the issues of climate change and <br class="">Drawdown, about which we must also discuss these char-producing (and <br class="">very clean burning) TLUD stoves.<br class=""><br class="">The readers of the Stoves Listservs and the moderators (all very great <br class="">people) have repeatedly rejected that the drawdown / climate change <br class="">issues should be fully aired on this Stoves Listserv.<br class=""><br class="">Please realize the difference. Case 1: Some charcoal stoves (as in <br class="">the Uga Stove in Uganda that received great praise for being the first <br class="">carbon credit / Gold Standard project for stoves) earn 1 or 1.5 carbon <br class="">credits per year for using LESS charcoal, but that charcoal is STILL <br class="">produced very poorly via traditional char-making methods. Case 2: <br class="">The TLUD stoves (as in the ChampionTLUD in India) is earning 4 (as in <br class="">FOUR) carbon credits per year for using LESS biomas (wood) fuel from <br class="">sustainable sources AND YIELDING CHARCOAL that has economic value AND <br class="">value for carbon credits (2 of those 4 carbon credits).<br class=""><br class="">Simply bringing up this previous paragraph is pushing the limits of what <br class="">is the purpose of the Stoves Listserv. And if the purpose were to be <br class="">expanded, we would lose some Stoves readers. I am looking for where <br class="">people are already discussing drawdown and climate change AND would <br class="">welcome the stoves contribution.<br class=""><br class="">All comments are welcome.<br class=""><br class="">Paul<br class=""><br class="">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<br class="">Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><br class="">Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<br class="">Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" class="">www.drtlud.com</a><br class=""><br class="">On 9/10/2017 2:02 PM, Andrew Heggie wrote:<br class="">> On 10 September 2017 at 18:53, Paul Anderson <psanders@ilstu.edu class=""> wrote:<br class="">>> Andrew,<br class="">>><br class="">>> You have stated (correctly) the precise reason that I do NOT want to conduct<br class="">>> the needed discussions on the Stoves Listserv.<br class="">>><br class="">>> The needed discussion is regardless of whether the TLUD stoves are used for<br class="">>> making biochar or for sequestering char or for simply needing less wood for<br class="">>> the cooking tasks.<br class="">><br class="">> I'm surprised at your reply Paul, I don't understand why you feel that<br class="">> my reason is precisely why you don't want to discuss carbon credits on<br class="">> here.<br class="">><br class="">> Carbon credits exist just as much as other subsidies which are<br class="">> applicable to stoves.<br class="">><br class="">> Andrew<br class="">><br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> Stoves mailing list<br class="">><br class="">> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br class="">> <a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" class="">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br class="">><br class="">> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br class="">> <a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" class="">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br class="">><br class="">> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br class="">> <a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" class="">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><br class="">><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Stoves mailing list<br class=""><br class="">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br class=""><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" class="">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br class=""><br class="">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br class="">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org<br class=""><br class="">for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br class="">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/<br class=""><br class=""></psanders@ilstu.edu></blockquote></stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org></psanders@ilstu.edu></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">Stoves mailing list<br class=""><br class="">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br class=""><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" class="">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br class=""><br class="">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br class="">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org<br class=""><br class="">for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br class="">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/<br class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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