<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Nikhil, Stovers,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thinking the more uses we have for char the more values it will have. From past studies when I worked in a real lab I tested different gass take-up using high activity chars. Propane, butane and methane are the gasses I had available. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I used charred peat to take up methane. This due to the problems in northern Canada and my own curiosity. Perhaps a research direction. But also char stored at the top of an anaerobic digester in bags? or clean up of low levels in an off gas running through a bag of char? Then used as increased energy char for heat or cooking. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just research ideas.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 21, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Nikhil Desai <<a href="mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com" class="">pienergy2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Frank: <br class=""><br class="">This too is beyond my pay grade, and I was afraid to ask, but now please enlighten me -- what is the idea here? <br class=""><br class="">That peat or some other form of low-energy density biomass when ignited with gas under controlled conditions yields higher char yield? I doubt that. Gases from combustion should do that job. <br class=""><br class="">Or are you suggesting that some char, once made, be mixed with gas and packed in a certain way? That too is beyond my imagination.<br class=""><br class="">What precisely do you mean by making a gas into a solid? Any comparable parallel in combustion alternatives?<br class=""><br class="">Because, rather than household cookstoves, you might be on to something radical for on-land flared gas. A lot of small oil fields are neglected if they are too gassy. If gas can be used, combined with waste biomass in the area, to produce a higher-density solid fuel, there might be a market without the hassle of tankers or pipelines. <br class=""><br class="">I am still confused. <br class=""><br class="">Nikhil<br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font face="georgia, serif" class="">------------------------------------------------------------------------ </font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Frank Shields <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" target="_blank" class="">franke@cruzio.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Nikhil and Stovers,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Point being we can load a good char with 8g of butane for every 100 g char for a typical char. Thats a lot of added energy per volume - I am thinking. Butane is not the only gas it will take up.Methane is another from past experimenting to see of Canadian Peat that is charred will take up CH4. More research needed. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Could be a good way to make a gas into a solid easy to transport? store? Perhaps increasing the energy value of char when used for cooking? Perhaps useful in other ways. Easy to start a fire. </div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></font></span><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class="">On Sep 21, 2017, at 7:31 AM, Nikhil Desai <<a href="mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">pienergy2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-666730050183318607Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr" class="">Andrew: <div class="gmail_extra"><div class=""><div class="m_-666730050183318607gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><font face="georgia, serif" class=""> <br class=""></font>What "heavy metals" in what kind of biomasses? <br class=""><br class="">This is a new one for me. <br class=""><br class="">Nikhil</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Andrew Heggie <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:aj.heggie@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">aj.heggie@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On 21 September 2017 at 06:30, Frank Shields <<a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" target="_blank" class="">franke@cruzio.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
> Stovers,<br class="">
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> When i do a butane activity test I pass butane gas through the char and a<br class="">
> good char will take up ~ 20g butane for every 100 g dry char. Most is around<br class="">
> 8 g added to 100 g dry.<br class="">
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</span>This is adsorption? Presumably the more internal surface area the<br class="">
more butane is retained. Most chars are only mildly activated and the<br class="">
effect is increased many fold by treating the char with an oxidant<br class="">
that will "pit" the structure.<br class="">
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>On a volume basis there should be an increase in<br class="">
> energy. Filling stoves is done on a volume basis. Not sure about increase of<br class="">
> energy on a weight basis.<br class="">
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</span>As butane has three times the calorific value of wood it should be<br class="">
more but what's the point, for cooking, in devolatising wood to make<br class="">
char just to add a gas back?<br class="">
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>Butane is what I use but the char will take up<br class="">
> other organic gases.<br class="">
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</span>... and heavy metals apparently<br class="">
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Andrew<br class=""> <br class="">
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