<div dir="ltr">Frank: <br><br>This too is beyond my pay grade, and I was afraid to ask, but now please enlighten me -- what is the idea here? <br><br>That peat or some other form of low-energy density biomass when ignited with gas under controlled conditions yields higher char yield? I doubt that. Gases from combustion should do that job. <br><br>Or are you suggesting that some char, once made, be mixed with gas and packed in a certain way? That too is beyond my imagination.<br><br>What precisely do you mean by making a gas into a solid? Any comparable parallel in combustion alternatives?<br><br>Because, rather than household cookstoves, you might be on to something radical for on-land flared gas. A lot of small oil fields are neglected if they are too gassy. If gas can be used, combined with waste biomass in the area, to produce a higher-density solid fuel, there might be a market without the hassle of tankers or pipelines. <br><br>I am still confused. <br><br>Nikhil<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="georgia, serif">------------------------------------------------------------------------ </font></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Frank Shields <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" target="_blank">franke@cruzio.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Nikhil and Stovers,<div><br></div><div>Point being we can load a good char with 8g of butane for every 100 g char for a typical char. Thats a lot of added energy per volume - I am thinking. Butane is not the only gas it will take up.Methane is another from past experimenting to see of Canadian Peat that is charred will take up CH4. More research needed. </div><div><br></div><div>Could be a good way to make a gas into a solid easy to transport? store? Perhaps increasing the energy value of char when used for cooking? Perhaps useful in other ways. Easy to start a fire. </div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Frank</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><div>On Sep 21, 2017, at 7:31 AM, Nikhil Desai <<a href="mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com" target="_blank">pienergy2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-666730050183318607Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div><div><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr">Andrew: <div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-666730050183318607gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="georgia, serif"> <br></font>What "heavy metals" in what kind of biomasses? <br><br>This is a new one for me. <br><br>Nikhil</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 4:09 AM, Andrew Heggie <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aj.heggie@gmail.com" target="_blank">aj.heggie@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On 21 September 2017 at 06:30, Frank Shields <<a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" target="_blank">franke@cruzio.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Stovers,<br>
><br>
> When i do a butane activity test I pass butane gas through the char and a<br>
> good char will take up ~ 20g butane for every 100 g dry char. Most is around<br>
> 8 g added to 100 g dry.<br>
<br>
</span>This is adsorption? Presumably the more internal surface area the<br>
more butane is retained. Most chars are only mildly activated and the<br>
effect is increased many fold by treating the char with an oxidant<br>
that will "pit" the structure.<br>
<span><br>
>On a volume basis there should be an increase in<br>
> energy. Filling stoves is done on a volume basis. Not sure about increase of<br>
> energy on a weight basis.<br>
<br>
</span>As butane has three times the calorific value of wood it should be<br>
more but what's the point, for cooking, in devolatising wood to make<br>
char just to add a gas back?<br>
<span><br>
<br>
>Butane is what I use but the char will take up<br>
> other organic gases.<br>
<br>
</span>... and heavy metals apparently<br>
<br>
Andrew<br> <br>
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