<div dir="ltr">Paul: This below? I am putting the whole piece since DevEx apparently allows this to be on Facebook, etc., so would appreciate more circulation. <br><br>I am writing a reply to Andrew's short response to this, which was<div><br></div><div>- <span class="gmail-im" style="font-size:12.8px">On 19 September 2017 at 15:32, Nikhil Desai <<a href="mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com">pienergy2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> This was needed ten, twenty, thirty, forty years ago.<br>><br>> Great Expectations.<br>><br>> Nikhil</span></div><div><span class="gmail-im" style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> but Nikhil she seems to be steering the discussion to one of </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">promoting "access to clean fuel sources" when our argument is that </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">solid fuels can be burned more cleanly, are largely locally accessible </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">and on the whole the capital costs are lower.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I do like the idea of off grid solar PV and induction hobs as well as </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">retained heat cooking as clean technologies but I thought we accepted </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">that was not making meaningful inroads into the programme yet.<br></span><img class="gmail-ajT" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif" style="font-size: 12.8px; opacity: 0.3;"> <br><br>Nikhil<br><br><a href="https://www.devex.com/news/clean-cookstove-market-needs-wholesale-reappraisal-rachel-kyte-91045" target="_blank">Clean cookstove market needs 'wholesale reappraisa</a><br><div class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-article-header" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:15px;display:inline"><div class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-margin-bottom-medium" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-bottom:10px;display:inline"><i class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-caption gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-margin-top-medium gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-text-gray-li" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:10px;color:rgb(153,153,153)"><br><a href="https://www.devex.com/news/clean-cookstove-market-needs-wholesale-reappraisal-rachel-kyte-91045" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:small" target="_blank">By </a><a href="https://www.devex.com/news/clean-cookstove-market-needs-wholesale-reappraisal-rachel-kyte-91045" target="_blank"><span style="box-sizing:border-box"></span></a></i><i class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-caption gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-margin-top-medium gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-text-gray-li" style="box-sizing:border-box;margin-top:10px;font-size:13px;color:rgb(153,153,153)"><a class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-text-gray-li" href="https://www.devex.com/news/authors/1253453" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(153,153,153);text-decoration-line:none;font-size:inherit;font-family:inherit;padding:0px" target="_blank">Sophie Edwards</a> </i><span class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-pipe gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-h-margin-medium" style="box-sizing:border-box;background:rgb(85,85,85);display:inline-block;height:14px;width:1px"></span><span class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-caption" style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:13px"><span class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-caption gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-text-gray-li" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(153,153,153)">18 September 2017</span></span></div></div><div class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-article-header" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Arial,"Helvetica Neue",Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:15px"><div class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-sharing-icons" style="box-sizing:border-box"><div class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-counter" style="box-sizing:border-box;padding-right:5px;float:left"><a class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-icon-comment" href="https://www.devex.com/news/clean-cookstove-market-needs-wholesale-reappraisal-rachel-kyte-91045#disqus_thread" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,153,204);text-decoration-line:none;font-size:18px;font-family:inherit;padding:6px;float:left" target="_blank"><span class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-comment-count" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:13px;margin-left:5px">0</span></a></div></div><div class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-row gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-addthis_toolbox gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-sharing-icons" style="box-sizing:border-box"><div class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-col-xs-12" style="box-sizing:border-box;min-height:1px;padding-left:15px;padding-right:15px;width:645.656px"><a class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-btn gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-addthis_button_twitter gmail-m_2714635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ly:inherit;padding:0px" target="_blank">Xinyuan Shang / IFPRI</a> / <a class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-c9" href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/2.0/" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(102,102,153);text-decoration-line:none;font-size:inherit;font-family:inherit;padding:0px" target="_blank">CC BY-NC-ND</a></figcaption></figure><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 20px">WASHINGTON  — The amount of funding going into clean cookstoves in countries where the energy access gap is most pronounced “is not even in the same ballpark” as what is required, according to sustainable energy expert Rachel Kyte, who said the sector needs a “wholesale reassessment.”</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 20px">This is one of the conclusions reached in the “<a class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-c9" href="http://www.se4all.org/sites/default/files/2017_SEforALL_FR4_PolicyPaper.pdf" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(102,102,153);text-decoration-line:none;font-size:inherit;font-family:inherit;padding:0px" target="_blank">Energizing Finance” report</a> from Sustainable Energy for All released Monday. The report finds that levels of international and domestic financing aimed at closing the energy access gap — and particularly the amount being directed to clean cookstoves — is falling far below what is needed to reach <a class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-c9" href="https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/sdg7" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(102,102,153);text-decoration-line:none;font-size:inherit;font-family:inherit;padding:0px" target="_blank">Sustainable Development Goal 7</a>, which calls for universal access to energy by 2030.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 20px">The report analyzes flows of international and domestic finance toward increasing energy access to 20 countries in sub-Saharan Africa and Asia between 2013 and 2014 and finds that support for clean cookstoves was “shockingly low” at only $32 million during the period. The International Environment Forum estimates <a class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-c9" href="https://www.ief.org/_resources/files/events/ief15-ministerial/15th-ief-ofid-background-paper_final1.pdf" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(102,102,153);text-decoration-line:none;font-size:inherit;font-family:inherit;padding:0px" target="_blank">$4.4 billion</a> is needed annually to meet clean cooking needs.</p><div class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-floating-box gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-width-md-6 gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-pull-right" style="box-sizing:border-box;width:307.828px;float:left;padding-right:0px;padding-left:30px"><aside class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-highlight-quote" style="box-sizing:border-box;border-top:5px solid rgb(51,51,51);border-bottom:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:10px 0px;padding:10px 0px;text-align:center"><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px;font-size:22px;font-style:italic"><em style="box-sizing:border-box">“Indicators show that the problem is becoming bigger rather than smaller.”</em></p><small style="box-sizing:border-box;font-size:13px;display:block;margin-top:10px">— Rachel Kyte, U.N. special representative and CEO of Sustainable Energy for All</small></aside></div><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 20px">Kyte — a special representative of the United Nations secretary-general for sustainable energy and CEO of <a class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-c9" href="https://www.devex.com/organizations/sustainable-energy-for-all-seforall-74227" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(102,102,153);text-decoration-line:none;font-size:inherit;font-family:inherit;padding:0px" target="_blank">Sustainable Energy for All, or SEforALL</a> — told a press briefing that lack of funding in the sector is undermining the SDGs. SEforALL is a multi-stakeholder initiative to drive the U.N.’s SDG energy agenda released in 2011.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 20px">Clean cookstoves remain “one of the biggest challenges in delivering the SDG on energy, and it is one of the objectives where the indicators show that the problem is becoming bigger rather than smaller,” she said.</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 20px">However, current financing levels are far from where they need to be in order to address the problem. “We need to have a wholesale reappraisal of this sector,” she said, adding, “we need to restart the process … $32 million is not going to move the needle.”</p><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 20px">Currently, <a class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-c9" href="http://gtf.esmap.org/" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(102,102,153);text-decoration-line:none;font-size:inherit;font-family:inherit;padding:0px" target="_blank">more than 3 billion</a> people live without access to clean cookstoves, according to the <a class="gmail-m_2714635241442069312gmail-c9" href="http://gtf.esmap.org/" style="box-sizing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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Mainly to Andrew, but others might help.<br>
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I am trying to fine a recent email that I am sure came via the Stoves Listserv.   It had a linke to an article about words from the lady who heads the Sustainable Energy For All organization.   And she was commenting about stoves and clean fuels.<br>
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ALSO, I thought a quite short message that related to that (above) came from Andrew with a one sentence statement about what the Stoves Listserv is all about.<br>
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I looked but could not find either of the above.   Thanks for any assistance.<br>
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Paul<br>
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