<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Paul,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>I would suggest stating the percent efficiency char is produced from a stove. Being the maximum amount of char that can be produced from the fuel used to what is being produced in the stove. Maximum is the Fixed carbon of the fuel and that char left after service is whats produced. A TLUD will be a high percentage and rocket much less produced. Using fuels with a low fixed carbon to start with will likely have low values at the end produced but the percentage from what could be produced might be higher. Stoves doing a poor job of combustion will end up having a higher percentage of char produced where a good combustion will have a lower percentage from the starting fuel. That depending if you don’t care the quality of the char. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The other side of the coin is the total carbon going to the secondary determining the efficiency of that energy being used for the task. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Sep 22, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Philip,</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Good. Let's move this forward.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Please provide the equation that puts char (that is, the energy in the char) above the line in a way that recognizes that it is not a loss of energy, it is only a transformation of the energy that is in the fuel.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Or say it some different way and show it as being of value in the equation that is to be provided. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Crispin and I have long ago come to agreement that energy efficiency is not the same as fuel efficiency.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Paul</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><pre class="moz-signature" cols="72" style="font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/">www.drtlud.com</a></pre><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 9/22/2017 12:28 PM,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:plloyd@mweb.co.za">plloyd@mweb.co.za</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:f0349d03-6465-41a1-813b-08705de4cb04@BL2NAM02FT022.eop-nam02.prod.protection.outlook.com" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">His continued fighting etc etc. What nonsense - the equation is wrong, spurious, faulty, unscientific. Efficency is the useful energy produced divided by the fuel input. Char is not an input but a PRODUCT. Therefore it goes above the line in any efficiency calculation. You cannot subtract it from the feed, because it is a product ( positive) and not a negative feed. Please stop trying to use bad science to justify an untenable position. It gives the whole of stove science a bad name when the scientific illiterati try to justify their abuses.<br class="">Philip Lloyd<br class=""><br class="">Sent from my Huawei Mobile<div class="quote" style="line-height: 1.5;"><br class=""><br class="">-------- Original Message --------<br class="">Subject: Re: [Stoves] stoves and credits again<br class="">From: "Ronal W. Larson"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><rongretlarson@comcast.net class=""><br class="">To: Discussion of biomass<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org class="">,Andrew Heggie<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><aj.heggie@gmail.com class=""><br class="">CC:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Andrew and list:<br class=""><br class="">I think we are in agreement on all but your last response, where I and you say:<br class=""><br class="">>> `Andrew - thanks for your above rebuttal to Crispin.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Ronal I don't see it in those terms. Crispin has a different viewpoint<br class="">> but his goal is the same in promoting clean cookstoves.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">RWL: Afraid I can’t agree.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">I can remember no Crispin statement ever in support of char-making TLUDs, which all data shows are the cleanest. Plenty of Crispin support for cleaner stoves using coal - which I claim can never be justified - for both health and climate reasons.<br class=""><br class="">His continued fighting against the equation e3 = e1/ (1-e2) is my major concern.<br class="">Y t.v.<br class="">Ron<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">> On Sep 22, 2017, at 3:26 AM, Andrew Heggie<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><aj.heggie@gmail.com class="">wrote:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> On 22 September 2017 at 03:54, Ronal W. Larson<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><rongretlarson@comcast.net class="">wrote:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> Andrew wrote<br class="">>> There might be a slight case for saying a<br class="">>> gasifier stove can achieve a lower massflow (particularly lower N2)<br class="">>> because the primary combustion doesn't go to completion so less<br class="">>> primary air is used, the corollary may be that the secondary flame<br class="">>> also can be burned with less excess air because the offgas has a<br class="">>> higher calorific value but not enough to make up for using 50% less<br class="">>> energy..<br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> [RWL2: Given my response in “1” - I need to address the term “50”<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Ronal I clarified this in my reply to Paul, obviously it is subject to<br class="">> experimental measurements but from a desk study given that the char is<br class="">> reacted at 600C AND 20% of the original biomass dry weight remains as<br class="">> char then it looks like the energy remaining in the char is closer to<br class="">> 1/3 than 1/2 of the original energy in the dry wood.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> Andrew: I am not understanding your last 15 words.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Partially dealt with above but also what I was meaning was that the<br class="">> offgas from a TLUD, with just sufficient primary are to maintain the<br class="">> descending pyrolysis front, will be largely the pyrolysis offgas plus<br class="">> the small amount of gases from the combustion that provides the heat<br class="">> to drive the process. So it will be little diluted by CO2 and nitrogen<br class="">> than from a traditional fire which supplies enough under grate<br class="">> (primary) air to completely burn out the char. Hence the offgas from<br class="">> TLUD is of a higher calorific value and as such needs less excess air<br class="">> to maintain a clean flame. On a larger scale with lower heat losses in<br class="">> the primary region this may not be the case.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> Disagree with Crispin’s statement that a case with 25% char retention<br class="">>> involves “50% of the original energy” (as did Paul Anderson).<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Also dealt with but we need corroboration from analysis of TLUD char.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> Agree with most by Andrew - but think the last sentence needs amplification.<br class="">>> That is - lower temperature char can be a better economic choice, even if<br class="">>> “fixed carbon retention” is less. This is better discussed on the biochar<br class="">>> list. pH value is one criterion that could point toward lower T’s.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> ...and of course lower fuel input cost would make it more economic<br class="">> even if the carbon credit paid to the producer were based solely on<br class="">> the fixed carbon.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> [RWL7: I have seen NO data to show that LPG stoves do not<br class="">>> have lower emissions than any solid fuel stove.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> It seems unlikely to me that simple stoves could have lower emissions<br class="">> than a LPG flame but Crispin did say as near as makes no difference<br class="">> and good enough works for me.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> Andrew<br class="">>> The trouble is I have a<br class="">>> parochial view and not a good worldview of what types of persons<br class="">>> depend on biomass fuelled stoves. Are they also predominantly growers?<br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> [RWL9: Yes to Andrew’s last question. I disagree with Andrew calling<br class="">>> himself “parochial” - when he supports (as do I) the ethics of “a subsidy<br class="">>> funded by the developed world”.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> I was referring more to my lack of experience of stoves in the real<br class="">> developing world compared with yourself, Crispin, Nikhil and many<br class="">> others.<br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> So my contention is that apart from the carbon credit there is a value<br class="">>> to the land in not having to export a cash crop.<br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> [RWL10: Agree totally.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> It still means the grower needs to recognise that exporting a<br class="">> conventional cash crop is removing mineral wealth from the holding, in<br class="">> many soils with high initial fertility this may not be significant. So<br class="">> whilst the cash that the grower/stove user might receive will be<br class="">> linked to the carbon credit paid for using the resultant char as a<br class="">> soil amendment he might also value not having to use the land for a<br class="">> cash crop and possibly growing stove fuel.<br class="">>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">>> `Andrew - thanks for your above rebuttal to Crispin.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Ronal I don't see it in those terms. Crispin has a different viewpoint<br class="">> but his goal is the same in promoting clean cookstoves.<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> Andrew<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> Stoves mailing list<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Stoves mailing list<br class=""><br class="">to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br class=""><br class="">to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br class=""><br class="">for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><br class=""><br class=""></rongretlarson@comcast.net></aj.heggie@gmail.com></blockquote></aj.heggie@gmail.com></stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org></rongretlarson@comcast.net></div><br class=""><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br class=""><pre wrap="" class="">_______________________________________________
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