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Crispin,<br>
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You are just playing with words and causing confusion. In 2005
when "TLUD" was first used for the Champion stove at Aprovecho Stove
camp, the meaning was clear. For many years (let's say to about
2012,) only me and a few others were using the TLUD name, and it was
always as I have been defining the stoves and technology.<br>
<br>
I seem to remember that your discussions about your Vesto stove
included an option for gasification similar to what is in the TLUD
stoves that I showed to you. But I do not remember you using the
"TLUD" name or wanting to be associated with TLUD specifications. <br>
<br>
But as the TLUD stoves showed their capabilities and gained
acceptance, various stove makers have found it desirable to be a
gasifier stove and some people started to use the TLUD name,
sometimes even when the use of their stove was different from what
they were copying. So we get all these variations. <br>
<br>
And now you are especially agressive to attach the TLUD name to
anything that you declare should or could be top lit with
updraft. The TLUD name is being attached to those stoves by YOU.
The originators of most of those stoves are not using any "TLUD"
designation. For some of them that are significantly different,
why would they even want to be called a TLUD stove? Again,
"TLUD" is no longer an acronym. It is a real name with a
meaning. Even KCJ (which stands for Kenyan Ceramic Jiko) refers to
a rather specific type of stove, and the designation of KCJ should
not be applied to any and all stoves that are made in Kenya with
ceramics. Similarly, the designation of TLUD should not be applied
to any and all stoves (or boyscout fires) that are ignited at the
top and have upward moving air (which is natural flow of heated
air).<br>
<br>
You are just causing confusion. I have known you so long ( I
believe we met in 2002 in Swaziland) and we are certainly solid
friends. Unfortunately, I am quite sure that you will continue
your misleading usage of the TLUD name. (Please do not do that.)
I can only hope that your point of view is ignored. And that you
are not called upon to be the stove specialist to advise government
officials and NGOs regarding the various types of
micro-gasification. <br>
<br>
From their very beginning, the TLUD stoves have been char-making
micro-gasifiers with a Migratory Pyrolytic Front (MPF) with dry
biomass fuel (that has not already been pyrolyzed nor is even fossil
coal). The true TLUD stoves (original definition) do not need a
new name or a modified name. <br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/30/2017 2:00 PM, Crispin
Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Dear Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<span style="color:windowtext">></span>"TLUD" is the
combustion processes associated with the Migratory Pyrolytic
Front (MPF). that creates the pyrolytic gases and leaves
charcoal behind. That does not change. The other features of
a "stove device" can be and are diverse. And that is where we
can find all of the variations that you mention.<span
style="color:windowtext"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">I disagree
at a fundamental level, and gave it some thought today
before your message arrived. A TLUD means top lit and
updrafting air flow. Nothing more. There are many stoves
that operate in this fashion, and as I said before, I was
taught this as a way to light low-smoke Boy Scout jamboree
fires.</span><br>
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My disagreement with your statements is in the message above. PSA<br>
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