<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Nikhil,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Biomass will be burned for cooking and heat long after we are gone. And we haven’t even begun to realize the potential of the biomass stove. Pellets, pressed biomass, wood chips, as well as other means to prepare and standardize the fuels. Then we have electronic to control the gasses and fans to spin using heat from the stove and many other ideas people will come up with as new controls come on the market. But an improvement can only be determined by a controlled measure. Without a measure we just talk about how it burned so nice. And we go in circles as we have been doing for the past ten years. It will happen It just won’t be us doing it. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 1, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Nikhil Desai <<a href="mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com" class="">pienergy2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Frank: <br class=""><br class="">As things stand, only Gold Standard Foundation is offering aDALYs, using Kirk Smith's HAPIT, a thinly veiled marketing tool for LPG or "Tier 4" (ISO protocols, whatever they are).<br class=""><br class="">THAT is the measure of "truly health protective" Kirk Smith is marketing (i.e., HAPIT, not any stove as such). <br class=""><br class="">While Gold Standard demands WBT, no technical improvement in stoves have much value. <br class=""><br class="">So, public donors for bulk procurement as well as private middlemen such as Gold Standard and CDM need to get away from WBT. <br class=""><br class="">The stakes are not small. <br class=""><br class="">Nikhil<br class=""><br class="">PS: Gold Standard sells aCO2 and aDALY monitoring and certification services in its own name (no public authority required). aDALY may not require any stove testing, since - to my knowledge - DALYs were not based on any emissions, just concentrations. Pretty much like WBT - a fuel-free, cook-free metric so as to raise propaganda hell. <font face="georgia, serif" class=""><br class=""></font><br class=""><div class="gmail_extra">
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 8:26 AM, Frank Shields <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" target="_blank" class="">franke@cruzio.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Nikhil writes:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Helvetica,sans-serif" class="">. The real task is to see whether a "truly health
protective" biomass stove can be marketed at scale in the next five years.
</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular,sans-serif;font-size:13.5pt" class=""> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Menlo-Regular,sans-serif" class="">Crispin writes:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Menlo-Regular,sans-serif" class=""> </span><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular,sans-serif;font-size:13.5pt" class="">At first blush, because
the EPA wanted to create a set of tiers for performance similar </span><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular,sans-serif;font-size:13.5pt" class="">to the ones
they have for other industries, and to embed the WBT as the go-to test method </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular,sans-serif;font-size:13.5pt" class="">before it was seriously challenged in academic circles. Obviously it was already
being </span><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular,sans-serif;font-size:13.5pt" class="">challenged by the private sector.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Frank writes:</p><p class="MsoNormal">To achieve the goal Nikhil mentions we only need to replace
the Go-To test Crispin mentions with something that is not flawed, is robust,
simple and information provided on; Biomass >> to >> Task (6-Box
system) such that the test can be </p><p class="MsoNormal">repeated at different labs. This Go-To test
is the core for all the other parameters like Tiers, PM2.5, energy eff., selection
for a receiving site, health & safety, measurements for making improvements.
Etc. Etc. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">We NEED a Go-To test before we can do anything else. That’s what
needs our full attention IMO. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Regards<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Frank<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
Thanks<br class=""><div class=""><div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Frank Shields</div><div class="">Gabilan Laboratory</div><div class="">Keith Day Company, Inc.</div><div class="">1091 Madison Lane</div><div class="">Salinas, CA 93907</div><div class=""><a href="tel:(831)%20246-0417" target="_blank" value="+18312460417" class="">(831) 246-0417</a> cell</div><div class=""><a href="tel:(831)%20771-0126" target="_blank" value="+18317710126" class="">(831) 771-0126</a> office</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" target="_blank" class="">franke@cruzio.com</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><br class="m_5653631665950593187Apple-interchange-newline"><br class="m_5653631665950593187Apple-interchange-newline">
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