<div dir="ltr"><div>Paul: (and others) <br><br>Yes, when Rachel Kyte has left tomorrow's LPG Summit for Development, she would have a better idea of how much money can practically go to advance LPG markets and what is the "burden left on the table." (This I am borrowing from Ajay Pillarisetti and Kirk Smith. They advocate complete, irreversible transition to LPG without which there is still a computed, concocted "burden of disease" left on the table, which there would be anyway because of other sources of pollution. I am a habitual pervert, so I turn around to mean "burden left on the table" after the practical limits on LPG have been reached.) <br><br>----<br></div><div>Here is my radical suggestion: <br><br>GACC was turned into a Global Campaign for Gas Cooking. (GCGC). Which is fine, considering the circumstances at the global level. No doubt gases (including biogases), liquids (including kerosene and bioliquids) and electricity (no matter how generated) have ready devices that generate versatile, flexible cooking options, transform kitchens and immediate human environments. <br><br>However, there is no way the WHO/Kirk Smith propaganda of "dirty fuels kill" is going to make any difference to the lives of the 2 billion people (including some 400 million people in India who would not make a complete, irreversible transition to gas cooking over the next five years). <br><br>So, the time is now ripe to shift attention to the poor, who are of far many more colors and cultures, cuisines and habits, but have access to lower-cost local fuels. <br><br>This attention should be in the form of targeting all segments of the cooking market where bio-origin fuels can compete with LPG at full-cost accounting and solid biomass stoves and furnaces, boilers for all customers an all uses. <br><br>It should also include modernization of the biomass fuels production and delivery chains. <br><br>At the real BOP, micro-gasifiers with charcoal production are a promising technology to improve the welfare of the poor in several ways -- not just cooking a meal at a time but storing fuel for longer term or using for space heating and other purposes, or selling it in the market. <br><br>These are just quick thoughts. I will have to organize this is better language. <br><br>All I mean is to put the case for solid fuel stoves - you and I may differ on coals, which are pretty limited in use, but not insignificant - in the proper context of food and primary fuel sources, and residential environments. <br><br>Tami's "Human Environment" instead of UNFCCC's "global environment." Environmentalism for the poor, of the poor, by the poor. You and I ought to be ready to put our knowledge to use. Instead of pursuing WHO goals. <br><br>Nikhil<br><br><br>(*) Nor is Modi's campaign in India going to drastically reduce the deaths and DALYs currently attributed to HAP. I don't know if I have written this before, but India's under-5 mortality declined at an average annual rate of 4.3% from 2000 to 2016. Kirk Smith still goes around claiming 0.9 million die annually of HAP in India. Five years from now, WHO would cook up the state and national estimates of HAP PM2.5 concentrations like Balakrishnan, et al. (2013) did from a few weeks of measurements in 617 households in four states of India, then modeling this way and that. The concentrations would presumably go down, under-5 mortality may go down or not so fast (nutrition and maternal health being a major risk factor and perhaps air and water pollution from open defecation and animal manure). Deaths reduction will be attributed to HAP reduction using revised IERs and GBD databases. This is not science. <br><br><br><br><br><br> <br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="georgia, serif">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Nikhil Desai</font></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">(US +1) 202 568 5831</span><font face="georgia, serif"><br><i>Skype: nikhildesai888</i><br></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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Nikhil. (I will try to get this message also to Kirk Smith, Dean
Still, and some GACC leaders.)<br>
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Yes, LOT's of assistance will be needed. Currently, the level of
assistance is some readers (not action) from the Stoves Listserve
plus some specific project assistance (Honduras, South Africa,
Uganda, India) that is fewer than 20 people in direct contact with
me. MORE assistance is welcomed at any time.<br>
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I, too, and reading Kirk Smith's latest publication. Please send
your review comments soon. He will be at the GACC Forum in 3 weeks
from now. Clarity about his position on ANY acceptable (or
seriously getting close and meriting assistance) stove for the the
use of wood and other dry biomass will be important. LPG cannot
service everyone (not even in India with big financial support).
For the remaining millions of households, will Smith and others be
supportive (or silent or against) about the ADVANCED modern clean
cooking solutions (namely the micro-gasifiers). We want clarity.<br>
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Even the GACC needs to be more clear. "Technology neutral" is not
acceptable when preference is given to LPG while overlooking the
micro-gasifiers but giving grants and support to regular
"stick-burning" stoves that cannot burn wood cleanly.<br>
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I am awaiting some comments about my previous (here attached).
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recognition that renewable solid fuels (mainly wood / pellet /
chips, but
including some forms of agro-refuse) are also highly clean
burning in modern
advanced cookstoves. So, the topic is correctly stated as
"clean cookstoves and fuels", but it is often reduced to be only
"clean fuels," which is very misleading. </span></blockquote>
I hope that this is of interest and wiil have advocates.<span><br>
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Paul<br>
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By way of reference, the current year estimate of India's
expenditure on its various LPG programs is about $4 billion. <br>
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Some years ago, when these costs were carried entirely on the
books of the public sector oil marketing companies, they were
about $8-10 billion a year. While the customer base was smaller,
the prices paid to upstream oil companies - including public
sector ones - were high, in keeping with the world oil prices. <br>
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India's LPG cost burden on the government and public sector
companies is difficult to estimate, but I reckon in the 50-odd
years to date it's been about $100+ billion in total. <br>
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Prof. Kirk Smith is elated at such new investment in public
health by expanding LPG access to the lower-income customers,
even as direct public health expenditures on medical services
far lag behind the need for these groups. (I am preparing a
critical review of Prof. Smith's latest celebration of Prime
Minister Modi and will be happy to share it when done.) <br>
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The real task is to see whether a "truly health
protective" biomass stove can be marketed at scale
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</span> Working on it. The TYPE of stoves is the
micro-gasifiers. And the best of those (based on my
experiences) are the true TLUD stoves (with char
making) that have fans. Working on it. Will be
announcing before or at the GACC Forum in 3 weeks.<br>
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CURRENTLY and on-going, the TLUD-ND (natural draft)
gasifier stoves are having great acceptance in the
expanding efforts in West Bengal (will be reported at
GACC Forum). Financial solutions are shown in the
Deganga case study. <br>
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Yes, "can be marketed at scale in the next five
years." But that will require SOME sort of assistance
(currently negligible). <br>
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Working on it.<br>
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Paul<br>
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