<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Crispin (and adding back the list)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I don’t find your argument compelling.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I googled for “Fresh Air” and “stoves” - getting this site: <a href="http://www.theipcrg.org/freshair/files/28049616/16-02-12+FA+overview+KR+(1).pdf" class="">http://www.theipcrg.org/freshair/files/28049616/16-02-12+FA+overview+KR+%281%29.pdf</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>With these sentences there (middle part of Paragraph 2) - helping to rebut your comments below about Kyrgyz men and stoves: <i class=""> </i></div><div class=""><i class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>"In addition, the Kyrgyz Republic has very high rates of tobacco
smoking, especially amongst men, which is the other major cause of lung diseases. WHO figures indicate that
in the Kyrgyz Republic 22% of deaths amongst men are caused by tobacco. "</i></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 6, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" class="">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Friends: Just a single point for which we have measurement data in homes:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">>>Without access to cleaner cookstoves and fuels, women endure incredible hardships. They are exposed to deadly smoke that kills over <a href="http://cleancookstoves.org/impact-areas/health/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: rgb(38, 125, 132); text-decoration: none;" class="">4 million people</span></b></a> every year and causes cancer, pneumonia, and lung disease. Women and children also must risk their safety, health, and sometimes their lives, to search for and collect fuel. In many cases, women walk for hours to find firewood and have to carry heavy loads, putting them at risk for physical and sexual attack, dehydration, and physical injuries.</span></i><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">>RWL2: Again, I believe all 3 sentences - and especially the second on multi million annual deaths. Men are not doing their share in cooking.</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">In Kyrgyzstan men have higher exposure to PM<sub class="">2.5</sub><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>than women and children. It is not correct to assume that cooking is the major source of PM<sub class="">2.5</sub><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>or that women are harmed more than men by it. The data, collected using Micro-PEMS (personal exposure meters) is available from Fresh Air though their final report will probably not be available until March 2018.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">It is erroneous assumptions like the above that undermine credibility. The fact that the ‘number of deaths’ is not actually seen or measured is also unhelpful. There are national death statistics, there are premature deaths created using them for the purpose of generating DALYs, and there are actual deaths from exposure which are unknown because no one investigates this systematically. Assuming that because “women do most of the cooking” that they are exposed to greater risks than men, and that men do not share in that exposure, and that changing the stove will ‘help women’ more than it helps men, is ‘taking a chance’.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Similarly, in Ulaanbaatar putting people in apartments to reduce their exposure to ambient PM<sub class="">2.5</sub><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>has the effect of trapping cigarette smoke and cooking emissions in the home, creating PM<sub class="">2.5</sub><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>exposures far higher than are experienced on the street or in the ger districts.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Regards<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Crispin<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Ronal W.Larson [<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>6-Oct-17 16:06<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Samer Abdelnour <<a href="mailto:samer.abdelnour@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">samer.abdelnour@gmail.com</a>>; Discussion of biomass <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tom Miles <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>>; Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Stoves] Women's empowerment<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Dr. Abdelnour and list:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>1. I thank Tom Miles and Crispin for additions today also - but they were not looking at Samer’s question on Radha’s report (I stated below: “<i class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>I liked what I saw from Rudha Muthiah at <a href="http://cleancookstoves.org/about/news/03-06-2015-adoption-of-clean-cookstoves-and-fuels-boosts-gender-equality.html" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://cleancookstoves.org/about/news/03-06-2015-adoption-of-clean-cookstoves-and-fuels-boosts-gender-equality.html</a> . </i>I hope they and others will also answer Samer’s several questions.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>2. Q1: Why I liked the message. Short answer: It states much of what I would say on the coupling of the terms “stoves” and “gender equality”. Having five grand-children who are all girls is part of the reason. To save list members time and space I include her message all here - separated by my “why” inserts. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">Cooking is one of the most dangerous activities for girls and women in the developing world, where more than half the population still cooks food over open fires.</span></i><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><span class="apple-tab-span"><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">RWL1: I like and believe “most dangerous”. This not limited to your expertise on “sexual attack” - where I claim zero expertise. I can’t think of a more dangerous activity.</span></b><o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 7.5pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;"><i class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">Without access to cleaner cookstoves and fuels, women endure incredible hardships. They are exposed to deadly smoke that kills over <a href="http://cleancookstoves.org/impact-areas/health/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: rgb(38, 125, 132); text-decoration: none;" class="">4 million people</span></b></a> every year and causes cancer, pneumonia, and lung disease. Women and children also must risk their safety, health, and sometimes their lives, to search for and collect fuel. In many cases, women walk for hours to find firewood and have to carry heavy loads, putting them at risk for physical and sexual attack, dehydration, and physical injuries.</span></i><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="apple-tab-span"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97); background-color: white; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class="">RWL2: Again, I believe all 3 sentences - and especially the second on multi million annual deaths. Men are not doing their share in cooking.</span></b></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>