<div dir="ltr">Paul:<div><br></div><div>This even better - <span style="font-size:12.8px">"Declaration of Clean Cooking with Woodgas".<br><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">It risks being confused with some old images of gasifiers, but that is ok. Those who are old enough to remember all that have to re-learn. And you carry credibility youngsters should respect - we are talking here of the simple truth (as you put it some time ago), "Burn the gases that are otherwise PICs and you don't have PICs. Duh!!" <br><br>Do you have a video of the combustion chamber of a TLUD stove? I imagine it might look like the furnace of a modern coal-fired power plant. (The only one I have seen was completed 40 years ago and I saw around 1990.) <br><br>And Kirk Smith, who wrote a year or so ago that at the margin, air pollution control gains in China are unlikely to come from coal power but from the small-scale coal users, would probably agree that burning off PICs is the name of the game, for biomass as well. <br><br>You floated the "Declaration" idea. I agree it can be easily ignored, what with GACC, SE4All, WHO all pushing for Tier 4 LPG and electric stoves, and TC-285 probably going in the same direction. <br><br>But a "Declaration" is taking a stand on principle. Not for collecting signatures alone, though that might help. <br><br>Maybe a draft "Declaration of Principles to advance Clean Cooking with Woodgas" could be a last page of your presentation? You can even present it with a question mark as I just did. <br><br>The idea is simply that "</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">the blanket rejection of ALL wood and other dry biomass fuel" has to be rejected as an anti-poor academic junk by WHO. <br><br>Even if it seems fine and dandy now with, say the Indian LPG ambitions, and the long-term future is with electricity (*), just because the "fracking revolution" caused a "surfeit" of LPG in the world market does not mean that even the 4-5 countries (Nigeria, Kenya, Ethiopia, Ghana, Myanmar) in one of the SE4All report, or 20 in the other SE4All report, can achieve complete, irreversible transition to LPG (or electricity) in the next 13 years. It's not just the last mile but the last 500 miles of LPG delivery that is in question for about a half of the 3 billion people we keep hearing about. <br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>GACC probably thinks its post-2020 existence depends on playing to the elite gallery it has itself helped populate. <br><br>All that a "Declaration" would do is recognize that it takes money and skills to create "</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">actual success stories of major acceptance of TLUD (or some other biomass-fueled) stoves." And that your vision is doing Deganga a thousand times over. <br><br>Don't worry if someone like me carps that a thousand Degangas would still be a drop in the bucket. Such people have to be ignored. <br><br>Nikhil </span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br><br><br><br></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="georgia, serif">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Nikhil Desai</font></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">(US +1) 202 568 5831</span><font face="georgia, serif"><br><i>Skype: nikhildesai888</i><br></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Change that to "Declaration of Clean Cooking with Woodgas" .
My goal is that the TLUD stoves with wood fuel are fairly recognized
as being worthy of being among the Modern Advanced Clean Cooking
Soluton (MACCS), as in the "Classification...." that is based on
GACC and ESMAP determinations. <br>
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I am not inclined to do what you advocate in your next sentence:<span class=""><br>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">A broader,
more emphatic claim needs to be made that improving
combustion of solid fuels is possible, has a long history,
just that adapting the principles to particular contexts
takes time and that there are many other possibilities for
biomass energy for small-scale thermal applications -
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Too many variables. Too many conflicting claims. Too many
reasons why direct burning of solids (in contrast to the TLUD
burning of GASES FROM SOLIDS) has not been fruitful.<br>
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I do not try to knock any other biomass stoves (the "ICS" devices)
from being considered, but I cannnot bring along in some overly
broad declaration all of the ICS devices and their decades of
baggage. But we (the solid dry biomass fuels users) need to have
at least ONE that is accepted, to stop the blanket rejection of ALL
wood and other dry biomass fuel. And that one with the best
chances is the TLUD technology. <br>
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In the end, what will count is when there are actual success stories
of major acceptance of TLUD (or some other biomass-fueled) stoves.
And that is happening NOW in West Bengal, and will be reported at
the GACC. Will anybody recognize such accomplishments? I do not
know. But a "Declaration....." can have many signatures, but it
would have minimal impact if the "leadership" continues to ignore
the solid results IN ACTUAL HOUSEHOLDS.<br>
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In contrast to success in the field, results like a declaration ON
PAPER are easily ignored, just like any paper that declares Tier 4
results. <br>
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I am busy with other preparations for the GACC Forum. I will
assist if someone else decides to make a "Declaration..."<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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