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Cheng,<br>
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You did not send your reply to the Stoves Listserv (only to me), so
I send it, with my reply below that.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/23/2017 9:31 PM, lh cheng wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Dr Anderson and stovers,
<div>I attached some pictures of the plate-covering( I'd like to
call it gas-valve ) and its effect, captured yesterday. </div>
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<div>There was something greatly puzzled me this morning.
Decreasing the gas output, leading to more secondary-air
demand! After putting on the gas-valve, much smoke appeared
immediately. After exclude all other causes, it is for sure
lacking of secondary-air that causes the smoke. after leaving
a gap under the concentrator disk, smoke disappeared. very
interesting. it is possible that that smaller blue flame can
produce more heat than large red flame, but it is very hard to
imagine that less gas output lead to more air demand. that is
too strange.</div>
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<div>best regards. <br>
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I now see that you use your cover plate as a control valve. That
is not correct method. TLUD stove gas output is controlled by the
entry of the primary air. Please read more of the documents about
TLUD stoves. You are learning by experience what has been
established earlier.<br>
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At the same time, your experiment with the oats on the fuel bed is
something new..<br>
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Doc<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-11-23 12:10 GMT+08:00 Paul
Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>></span>:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Stovers,<br>
<br>
I introduce you to Ih Cheng of China. He has some
interesting TLUD research / experiments that you can
read about below. Read about the impact of
oatmeal!!!! And does it realate to the more blue
flames from rice husk gasifiers? It will be better
for him and everyone if he can interact with many
Stovers. <br>
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I hope that some of you will replicate his work and
report to everyone. Do not wait for someone else to do
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Paul</font></span><span><br>
<pre class="m_-2872966435048820218m_-5820243087652740935moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="m_-2872966435048820218m_-5820243087652740935moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: <a href="tel:%28309%29%20452-7072" value="+13094527072" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+1-309-452-7072</a>
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11/22/2017 7:00 PM, lh cheng wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Dr Anderson,
<div>I have submit a subscription application.
you are free to use any message from me. and
thank you.</div>
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<div>this morning I tried another bigger plate,
almost got the effect I want. steady smaller
flame(just partially blue), longer burning
time. it's safe to say the plate-covering
works fine.</div>
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GMT+08:00 Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>></span>:<br>
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Cheng,<br>
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I greatly appreciate your message below.
You are doing interesting things.<br>
<br>
I would like to post my message (below) to
the Stoves Listserv. About 900 subscribers
around the world. And I hope that you
will subscribe (free) at <a
href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">stoves.bioenergylists.org</a><span
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Doc<br>
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Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S.
Anderson, PhD<br>
Email: <a
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><br>
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href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072"
value="+13094527072" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">+1-309-452-7072</a><br>
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On 11/22/2017 12:52 AM, lh cheng
wrote:<br>
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solid;padding-left:1ex"> sorry for
the late response, I have some
trouble to break through GFW<br>
to access gmail sometimes.<br>
<br>
I am a Chinese, lived in Zhenjiang,
Jiangsu province, east part of<br>
China. I just found the wood stick
on the hill is so plenty so I try<br>
to build a stove to burn it. I tried
rocket stove and your fantastic<br>
Champion stove, which is best of
all.<br>
<br>
As for the oat, just a
little(crashed pieces, with hot
water, it can<br>
be eaten immediately), maybe 10g? a
lot of details I wanted to<br>
describe to you yesterday. but I
don't want to bother you with such<br>
details. since you want to know, I
am glad to explain now. when I<br>
loaded the fuel, I added a layer of
dry oat on top of it, then I start<br>
to lit the fuel with some easy-lit
materials, very hard to lit them. a<br>
lot smoke, and I blow and blow,
finally succeeded. then that blue<br>
flame came out. and it burns for a
very long time, twice longer maybe<br>
than ordinary case. very steady, and
I did not have to limit the<br>
primary air all the time as I
normally did.<br>
<br>
this morning I did some experiments
on my TLUD stove, I just covered<br>
the fuel with a plate while the
flame got strong enough. there was<br>
some insignificant effect. not
obvious. I will try a bigger plate
next<br>
time.<br>
<br>
I am so glad to receive this email
from you so fast.<br>
<br>
best regards<br>
<br>
2017-11-21 23:04 GMT+08:00, Paul
Anderson <<a
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex"> Dear
Cheng,<br>
<br>
By now you have probably seen my
message that names you and your
link to<br>
the Fyro stove. Thanks for
that!!<br>
<br>
Please send me more information
about yourself. Location, etc.
and plans.<br>
<br>
Please tell me more about the
layer of dry oat. At the top,
as a<br>
starter material? How much?
Full grains or just oat
chaff/hulls?<br>
Will you be trying again? And
with more?<br>
<br>
Looking forward to your next
message.<br>
<br>
Doc<br>
<br>
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S.
Anderson, PhD<br>
Email: <a
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><br>
Skype: paultlud Phone: <a
href="tel:%2B1-309-452-7072"
value="+13094527072"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">+1-309-452-7072</a><br>
Website: <a
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On 11/20/2017 11:27 PM, lh cheng
wrote:<br>
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solid;padding-left:1ex"> Dear Dr
Anderson:<br>
I have made a TLUD-ND stove
after your Champion stove, it
works very<br>
well that I abandoned all the
rocket stoves I previously made.<br>
I write to you because I will
report to you some discoveries
I've got<br>
today, maybe very important.<br>
<br>
This morning I add a layer of
dry oat( just for fun ) on the
fuel.<br>
then something wonderful
happened. the flame became
small, blue and<br>
stable. this kind of effect is
very hard to achieve in ordinary
case.<br>
this kind of flame is very hot,
stable and clean. I know the
project<br>
in india about your champion
stove through DrTLUD website,
Champion<br>
stove is rejected by more
wealthy family because it
blackened the<br>
pot's bottom somehow. Another
defect of the TLUD-ND stove is
that, it<br>
is pretty hard to turn down the
fire-power, when the flame is
already<br>
strong. A solution for these two
problems is limitting the
primary air<br>
from above, not from under.<br>
When I found the perfect flame
this morning, I remembered a
video (<br>
<a
href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1maX3o4174k"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.youtube.com/watch?<wbr>v=1maX3o4174k</a>
), posted by Dieter Weber.<br>
he invented a Side-Lit-Up-Draft
stove, limmitting primary air
from<br>
above, he explained the
mechanism and the effect of his
stove in the<br>
video.<br>
that's all.<br>
<br>
and, I am a Christian, I truly
hope you are a christian
already, so<br>
that the Lord will reward you
for your good work not only in
this<br>
world, but also in heaven.<br>
<br>
God bless you.<br>
<br>
your truly<br>
Cheng<br>
2017-11-21<br>
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