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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have become an expert in putting my foot into all sorts of poo by being frank – no pun intended Frank!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>People have tried the 3<sup>rd</sup> approach to sort all their issues since eternity and look the mess we are in. WE, humanity, have created this mess so WE, humanity need to sort it out.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>George from the “jungle no more”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Shields<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 27, 2017 15:27<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Hi, a newcomer's greeting<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Dear Stovers and welcome new people,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>oH Great! Now we have three approaches:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>1) Hard science. Exactly what fuel characteristics are right for each stove and task oriented. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>2) Softer science(?). Study of ethnography and conjectural science</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>3) Pray to God all will work out. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>I'll stick with the first approach. But if another ten years goes by with no well designed Stove Certification program then I might switch to the third approach. : )</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:13.5pt'>Frank</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 11/26/17 8:13 PM, lh cheng wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you my brother Abraham, concerning loving oneself, Jesus said: deny yourself and follow me. Cross and baptism in Christianity means death before resurrection. Concerning loving others, through our good work we bring others to God's mercy and love, not bringing others to ourselves' mercy only. The western liberals who put their hope in technology and social engineering( just like Communism or Marxism), try to put the needy and poor under their own mercy, but they themselves need mercy terribly, they have no true ability to love others, neither their god ( technology and social engineering )<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>bear with me for this kind of talking again.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>God bless you all my friends<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2017-11-25 20:14 GMT+08:00 abraham abyslo <<a href="mailto:aabyslo@gmail.com" target="_blank">aabyslo@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks for this,Lh. This is entirely true. All knowledge and skill is to love God and then oneself and others. Be blessed. I ask you take time to evangelise in your place and the whole world. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>On Saturday, November 25, 2017, lh cheng <<a href="mailto:lhkind@gmail.com" target="_blank">lhkind@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Dear friends and stovers,<br>> I'm Cheng from China, Dr Anderson kindly bring me here to interact with each other. I look forward to learnig much from you and having strong friendship with you guys. please bear with me for my shabby English.<br>> I am a little surprised that you are talking about certain projects in Hebei of China. From my point of view, technology is human works, is useful somehow, but God's work is far more greater, only when human works bring people to God's work, then that human work is good. if we deny God and his work, technology is nothing, it serves lies and can promise nothing. There are so many lies in China, that's why Chinese people live a terrible life, no matter how much effort they focus on technology or fancy projects.<br>> If we give credit to certain inventor or scientist for some stove or gasifier or any other devices, we should accredit more to God who create universe and give breath to human being and every living creature. and He prepared more for human, that is gospel of Chist Jesus. far greater than good news of a smart stove design. There were and will be plenty of testmonies of God and Jesus.<br>> Please bear with for lengthy talking about God, I love you all.<br>> Hi,<br>> and God bless you all<br>> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/" target="_blank">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Stoves mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org">http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/">http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Frank Shields<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Gabilan Laboratory<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Watsonville, CA 95076<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>(831) 246-0417 cell<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com">franke@cruzio.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div></body></html>