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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:05 AM, Paul Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Cheng and all, (and a mention of Todd Albi). see below.<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_-1066852585149645021moz-cite-prefix">On 11/29/2017 10:15 PM, lh cheng wrote:<br>
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<div>Another Chinese little project. Surely, it is cookstove,
not heater. Too expensive, 1500RMB (230 USD), in rural area, a
big number, very big, no one buy, not even one, in rural area.
For user, many uncertainties to use new type of stove. if free
of charge, a trustworthy friend who is an expert about this
stove, that might be fine.<br>
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I was wondering about the price of that pellet burner stove. Yes,
it is expensive, but expensive is a relative term. It could be
imported into America where $230 is inexpensive, but the price here
would be so much higher and it would then be expensive here. <br>
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<div>stove thing should be open-source ( just like Dr Anderson's
Champion Stove ), DIY, or made by acquaintance, it is
something about family, a cultural thing, especially in
country side. In city, electricity or LPG is enough.</div>
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Is there any prospect in China for DIY. And what would be the
acceptance of a stove made with thin metal? Generalizing, it seems
that heavy construction of stoves is the standard in China. Todd
Albi might be able to shed some light on this.<br>
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<div>a good approach for stove design maybe is that, basic
knowledge of stove design spread among people, and people help
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What do you have in mind? in the context of China? I have
difficulty imagining stove design work in China outside of the
factory context.<br>
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<div>concerning "stove intervention", during 1959-1961 in China,
more than 30 millions of people died because a stove
intervention movement. and people have memories.</div>
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Please provide more information about this statement about 30
million deaths.<br>
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Welcome to the world of the Stoves Listserv. We appreciate your
insights.<br>
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Paul<br>
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