<div dir="ltr">Ron: <br><br>That is an interesting question but the answer has to be compared to alternative means of making money. <br><br>Reduction in fuel collection time is one form of saving; the time freed up can be used for higher-priority activity, including education, child care, or employment. <br><br>In other words, answers to this question can only be interpreted with additional, context-specific information or questions. In and of itself, it is a meaningless question. <br><br>There are indirect ways of gathering people's priorities -- observing what they in fact do. <br><br>Here is what I have observed over the last several decades: <br><br>1. In India, housewives in cities and towns have indeed made money by cooking, though on kerosene and LPG/electricity and preparing dry/canned/frozen foods as well as fresh meals and snacks for sale. <br><br>2. Roughly a billion people in the developing world have moved away from collecting woodfuels and cooking all the meals for family consumption. <br><br>3. Family size and composition, location, alternatives and priorities in use of women's time have changed. <br><br>4. Charcoaling from own or others' trees is an income-generating activity, but whether a cook wants to spend her time to do the same is open to question. She might well want to do for selling locally as fuel but not to some central authority for biochar. <br><br>Your question may be better directed to commercial, large-scale cooks, who are probably easier customers for biomass and coal stoves anyway compared to poor households. <div><br></div><div>Nikhil<br><br><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="georgia, serif">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Nikhil Desai</font></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">(US +1) 202 568 5831</span><font face="georgia, serif"><br><i>Skype: nikhildesai888</i><br></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Ronal W. Larson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" target="_blank">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Paul:<div><br></div><div><span class="m_529151126071644304Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap">    </span>I have yet to see on ANY stove questionnaire:  “How important is making (more than saving) money when you cook?”</div><div><br></div><div>Ron</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Dec 3, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_529151126071644304Apple-interchange-newline"><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline!important">Crispin,</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline!important">Good point.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline!important">I wonder how ofter "pride of ownership" is included in the evaluations.  <span class="m_529151126071644304Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline!important">I hope that such a quesiton can be asked to the 40,000 (or a sample) users of the Champion TLUD stove in West Bengal. <span class="m_529151126071644304Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline!important">About surveys and questionnaires and interviews, (whether for stoves or other topics), questions keep being changed, so comparison between results are often difficult or meaningless because of wording.   Are there some common (shared) questions that tend to be used in stove surveys?  <span class="m_529151126071644304Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline!important">Paul</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><pre class="m_529151126071644304moz-signature" cols="72" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:'Courier New';font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="m_529151126071644304moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
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Website:  <a class="m_529151126071644304moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></pre><div class="m_529151126071644304moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">On 12/3/2017 5:35 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:18px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div style="width:934px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">In the survey of potential stove users conducted in Gauteng 2004, "Pride of ownership" scored above price and fuel consumption in a ranking of features. </div><div style="width:934px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:934px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Philip confirms this aspect of reality in the South African market. </div><div style="width:934px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div style="width:934px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Regards </div><div style="width:934px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Crispin </div><div style="width:934px;font-size:initial;font-family:Calibri,'Slate Pro',sans-serif,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);text-align:initial;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><br><div><div class="m_529151126071644304WordSection1"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">“</span><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Capital cost of the stove is a minor issue; the question is whether the users like and use the stove.” A community I studied carefully had a monthly household income of <$100 yet strove to buy a smokey cast iron coal-fired stove costing ~$400.  It met all their needs – including a higher social status merely because they possessed such a stove.</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Prof Philip Lloyd</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Energy Institute, CPUT</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">PO Box 1906</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Bellville 7535</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Tel 021 959 4323</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Cell 083 441 5247</span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">PA Nadia 021 959 4330</span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:Georgia,serif"></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="m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pe of stove. if free of charge, a trustworthy friend who is an expert about this stove, that might be fine.</div></div></div></blockquote><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I was wondering about the price of that pellet burner stove.  Yes, it is expensive, but expensive is a relative term.   It could be imported into America where $230 is inexpensive, but the price here would be so much higher and it would then be expensive here. <span class="m_529151126071644304Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">stove thing should be open-source ( just like Dr Anderson's Champion Stove ), DIY, or made by acquaintance, it is something about family, a cultural thing, especially in country side. In city, electricity or LPG is enough.</div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Is there any prospect in China for DIY.   And what would be the acceptance of a stove made with thin metal?   Generalizing, it seems that heavy construction of stoves is the standard in China.   Todd Albi might be able to shed some light on this.<br><br></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">a good approach for stove design maybe is that, basic knowledge of stove design spread among people, and people help each other.</div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">What do you have in mind?    in the context of China?   I have difficulty imagining stove design work in China outside of the factory context.<br><br></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">concerning "stove intervention", during 1959-1961 in China, more than 30 millions of people died because a stove intervention movement. and people have memories.</div></div></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Please provide more information about this statement about 30 million deaths.<br><br>Welcome to the world of the Stoves Listserv.   We appreciate your insights.<br><br>Paul<br><br></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> </p></div><div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">best regards </div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> </p></div></div></div></div><br><fieldset class="m_529151126071644304mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br><pre style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:'Courier New'">______________________________<wbr>_________________
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