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Tom,<br>
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There was a clear transition going on at the final PCIA Forum that
was held in Lima Peru in 2011, during the overlap of the two
timeframes.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/5/2017 11:09 AM, Tom Miles wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks. That’s the time frame I remember. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m looking forward to ETHOS in January. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tom<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Derby, Elisa
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ederby@winrock.org">mailto:ederby@winrock.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 05, 2017 8:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tom Miles <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"><tmiles@trmiles.com></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ndesai@alum.mit.edu">ndesai@alum.mit.edu</a>; 'Ronal W. Larson'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"><rongretlarson@comcast.net></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Crispin Pemberton-Pigott'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"><crispinpigott@outlook.com></a>; 'Discussion of biomass'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org></a>; 'Paul Anderson'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"><psanders@ilstu.edu></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Tom,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">PCIA was 2003-2012. The Alliance was
launched in 2010.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Elisa<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Tom Miles [<a
href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 4, 2017 9:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Derby, Elisa <<a
href="mailto:ederby@winrock.org" moz-do-not-send="true">ederby@winrock.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:ndesai@alum.mit.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">ndesai@alum.mit.edu</a>; 'Ronal
W. Larson' <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Crispin Pemberton-Pigott' <<a
href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>>;
'Discussion of biomass' <<a
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>;
'Paul Anderson' <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Elisa,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">When did PCIA start and end and when did
GACC start? <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Tom<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Derby, Elisa [<a
href="mailto:ederby@winrock.org" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:ederby@winrock.org</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 04, 2017 6:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ndesai@alum.mit.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">ndesai@alum.mit.edu</a>; Ronal W.
Larson <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a
href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>>;
Tom Miles <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>>;
Discussion of biomass <<a
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>;
Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hmmm, I wasn’t involved in this and the
person who might know the background (and have a copy) is on
vacation this week—I’ll check on this next week. This does not
look like a final published report to me—it would have
different branding/marking, and would reference the agreement
number (which would also help me locate where it came from),
and it would also be publicly accessible on USAID’s
Development Clearing House. Who/what is scribd.com?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here’s the full consumer research link: <a
href="http://designlab360.org/washpluscookstovetoolkit/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://designlab360.org/washpluscookstovetoolkit/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(Developed under the USAID-funded WASHplus
project on which Winrock was a sub to FHI360)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Elisa<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nikhil Desai [<a
href="mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 4, 2017 6:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ronal W. Larson <<a
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
moz-do-not-send="true">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a
href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>>;
Tom Miles <<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>>;
Discussion of biomass <<a
href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>;
Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>; Derby,
Elisa <<a href="mailto:ederby@winrock.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">ederby@winrock.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Thai Bucket Stove<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ron: <br>
<br>
I am cc'ing Elisa Derby if she can track down a pdf of the
Rwanda document on the web or distribute it to us. I
couldn't find it on USAID or Winrock website. It is indeed a
good report, from around the time I last went to Rwanda and
was hounded out. <o:p></o:p></p>
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I wonder where the GEF report got the number 9 kg wood per
kg of charcoal. Might have been me from some hearsay;
don't take it seriously and don't worry about the
gorillas. Rwanda government is making enough money from
gorilla tourism and poverty tourism to protect the
forests. <br>
<br>
Until Robert van der Plas did a biomass energy strategy
(BEST) report circa 2006 for EUEI, I had no information on
what was going on in charcoal-making. There was a factory
on the then-outskirts of Kigali whose charcoal use was
banned, otherwise wood use in tea factories faced no
problem of supply. <br>
<br>
If I remember correctly, Robert's report to the World Bank
in 2004 (which apparently didn't get to GEF) took the view
that charcoal was sustainably supplied from private trees.
Waste from forest cutting during the non-genocide killings
of 1994 might have had lower efficiency of charcoaling,
and no doubt land clearance for agriculture and
infrastructure, real estate also played some part in
forest loss. <br>
<br>
Charcoal is not a depleting resource. Period. What makes
people grow trees for charcoal should have been reported
on by Robert's paper with Doug Barnes, Keith Openshaw and
Kirk Smith after their 1994 paper, but evidently they did
not care about sustainable growth of biomass. <o:p></o:p></p>
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I was glad to see that unlike secretive operations like
UNF, Winrock publishes a detailed <a
href="https://www.winrock.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/20171024-WI-Annual-Report-2016.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">annual report</a>. As expected,
Winrock is basically a USAID contractor. I don't know how
much of Winrock stoves work is funded by USAID vs. USEPA.
In recent activities, it is USEPA behind cookstove <a
href="https://www.winrock.org/project/improving-cookstove-design-around-the-world/"
moz-do-not-send="true">design</a> whereas USAID behind <a
href="https://www.winrock.org/project/advancing-clean-cooking-through-consumer-research/"
moz-do-not-send="true">consumer research on cooking</a>, <a
href="https://www.winrock.org/document/advanced-biomass-cookstove-distribution/"
moz-do-not-send="true">cookstove distribution</a>, and <a
href="http://www.ghspjournal.org/content/ghsp/2/3/268.full.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">use</a>. You might like the
September 2017 report on distribution. <br>
<br>
Crispin is evidently wrong that USAID stopped doing stoves
work. It seems USAID just doesn't bother with EPA/WHO
rigmarole. <br>
<br>
Nikhil<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Ronal
W. Larson <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. Looks like a good report.
I wish I had time to do more than skim. Winrock
has a long history with stoves. We are very
fortunate that they remain involved with GACC and
EPA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. The most interesting
paragraph for me was this at the beginning (p25)
of Annex 1, noting the factor of 9 (<b><u>nine!</u></b>)
in the efficient use of a diminishing resource.
(Sorry that I had to use a screen shot, as the
publishers prohibited a simple copy)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3. The charcoal stoves are
reported to have an efficiency of about 1/3. But
(including the energy density differences of 18
and 30 MJ/kg), the real efficiency expressed by
this factor of 9 is about 5 or 6 %! <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">4. 5 or 6 % is unacceptable
everywhere but especially in Rwanda. See what
pops up (Gorilla deaths in first place) when you
google for “charcoal legality Rwanda”. The
outlawing of charcoal occurred in 2004 - before
this report.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">5. Rwanda (and other
countries) could help itself by saying that sale
of charcoal needed proof (when and where) that
there had been productive use of the pyrolysis
gases. Costs should also go down - not up.
Employment should go up as wood is prepared.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:37
AM, Nikhil Desai <<a
href="mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">pienergy2008@gmail.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Crispin, Tom: <br>
<br>
If ITDG was involved, Stephen Joseph and
possibly Ray Holland may remember. <br>
<br>
I found an impressive Winrock report for
USAID - <a
href="https://www.scribd.com/document/54889270/Implementation-Plan-for-Increasing-the-Adoption-and-Use-of-Efficient-Charcoal-Cookstoves-in-Urban-and-Peri-Urban-Kigali"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">IMPLEMENTATION
PLAN FOR INCREASING THE ADOPTION AND USE
OF EFFICIENTCHARCOAL COOKSTOVES IN URBAN
ANDPERI-URBAN KIGALI</a> (Winrock for
USAID 2007). <br>
<br>
It states, "In the late 1980s CARE helped
a Rwandan entrepreneur to produce and
market the KCJ under the local name
canamaké. CARE only promoted the stove for
about a year in Rwanda. After the
CAREproject ended, the Rwanda entrepreneur
continued production of the canamaké stove
(ESMAP, 1991)." <br>
<br>
This comports with my memory from what
Robert told me while wandering in Kigali
market in 2004. I think he started the
reported ESMAP activity in Kigali but
stopped in 1994 after the genocide until
we went together in 2004. I became a
target of Kagame's internal security and
intelligence apparatus, but Robert
continued and produced some other reports,
including some mentioned in this Winrock
report that also has some history of stove
projects at the end. <br>
<br>
I will try to locate the writer of this
report. <br>
<br>
Nikhil<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 5:04 PM,
Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a
href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>>
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class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"><span
lang="EN-CA">Thanks, Tom for
the great additions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"> <span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal">In
the early stage of the IKJ it
was apparent that the ceramic
component was going to be the
major hurdle. The
acknowledgements page in the
1983 report by Maxwell Kinyanjui
and Laurie Childers has this:<span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal">That
says there was an educational
tour to Thailand.<span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"> <span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal">Hugh
Allen was hired by ATI
(Washington) but I am not clear
if he started with CARE or ended
up with them. In his book “The
Kenyan Ceramic Jiko – A manual
for stove makers” (IT
Publications, 1991) he says the
production system present was
developed between 1986-1988.
The book is contained in the AT
Microfiche Library from
Volunteers in Asia. IT
Publications, ATI and CARE are
credited for the book.<span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"> <span
lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal">I
think Hugh was a ceramics
engineer because he had studied
ceramics under the son of world
famous Bernard Leach – the
British Potter. Hugh told me the
reason he was contracted to work
on the stove was the difficulty
in getting reliable results from
the kilns: losses of something
like 40% were normal in the
firing. <span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"><span
lang="EN-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"><span
lang="EN-CA">He developed the
low tech Jigger Jolly and
forming tools, standardized
the hole pattern and gave
comprehensive instructions
about how to develop the clay
content and fire them. He
introduced dome-topped kilns
and spread the production
technology to the Sudan,
Uganda, Tanzania, Togo, Malawi
and Rwanda. In short he
“professionalized” the
product, bringing firing
losses down to 3%. Later he
led the same type of exercise
with the Bielenberg sunflower
oil press which inspired me
greatly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"><span
lang="EN-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"><span
lang="EN-CA">Footnote 2 reads:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"><span
lang="EN-CA"><image002.jpg><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"><span
lang="EN-CA">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"><span
lang="EN-CA">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"><span
lang="EN-CA"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m-6459084943164257397gmail-msonormal"><span
lang="EN-CA"> <u> </u><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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