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Julien and Mahbubul,<br>
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Congratulations on your TLUD project in Bangladesh!!! And with the
biochar success!!! <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Videos of the Akha can be found at <a
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I will be presenting the results of or preliminary survey at
the ETHOS conference in January.</p>
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With your permission< I am asking James Schoner to put up a link
at the <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a> website. And your animation of the
migratory pyrolytic front is very well done.<br>
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Crispin and Ron have asked good questions, for which we hope to hear
answers, maybe at the ETHOS meeting.<br>
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Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/6/2017 2:31 AM, Crispin
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Congratulations
Julien on your progress to date which has been meteoric.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For
those new to the list, Julien has been working hard on
developing TLUD’s at his home and reporting here his results
for comment and input, which has been from all corners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Julien:
I suggest it is worth looking into how to use the char to
make fertiliser rather than treating it as if it is. Here in
China there are large facilities producing organic
fertiliser with biochar as an input along with other things
that surely are available in Bangladesh.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There
is an immediate market for ‘packaged fertiliser’ and of
course you can tune it to the local conditions.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
am happy to hear that you only need funding to accelerate
adoption. What will the money be use for? Having a clear
picture of what and where is helpful for discussing with
third parties as is already happening with the West Bengal
project. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Question:
when it says “25%” fuel saving, how is that figure
determined? Does it mean 25% of the input energy, or 25%
less raw fuel placed into the stove compared with the
baseline? This distinction is very important for me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Stoves
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ronal W. Larson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 6-Dec-17 14:21<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:julien@gmail.com">julien@gmail.com</a>; Discussion of biomass
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] No subsidies in TLUD char
peoduction<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Julien, cc List:<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span>A wonderful website and success story. I don’t think
there is a better advertisement for the combination of TLUDS
AND biochar.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="apple-tab-span">
</span>Four questions I don’t see answers for at your
website:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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1. The cost and payback period considering all aspects -
higher fuel costa and the sale/use of the char?<o:p></o:p></p>
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2. Whether users are preferring to keep and use the char or
selling it? (The photos all showed saving and using the
char - for improved NPP reasons and/or savings on commercial
fertilizer)<o:p></o:p></p>
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3. Can you say more about the outer cylindrical insulating
segments? Fired or cast? Available from some other
application or special for these stoves?<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span>I ask, wondering if the interior metal cylinder might
be replaced by this cement or ceramic piece. Bill Knauss
and Gordon West have been experiment with cast cement with
char (formerly paper) in the “bricks” (which could be
cylinders). Being called “charcrete”.<o:p></o:p></p>
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4. Are you looking for additional funding or have enough?<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span>Again, congratulations on really fine work.
(especially including the web site).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ron <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 5, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Julien
Winter <<a href="mailto:winter.julien@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">winter.julien@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Folks;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mahbubul Islam and myself have
designed a TLUD-biochar intervention in Bangladesh.
We believe the technologies will be (have to be)
successful without subsidies. TLUDs and biochar
have to survive on their own merit. What subsidies
can do is help to speed up the dissemination of the
technology and scaling-up.<br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Our first step was to design a
culturally appropriate TLUD called the "Akha".
All of the components can be made locally without
importing materials (which are very expensive).
The stove is not fragile, because its outer body
is made of light concrete, so you can stand on it,
or bounce a child off it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have just completed a
prototype survey of 110 households, and the users
are very enthusiastic about the stove, despite
having to size fuel, and occasionally reload to
keep cooking. Their main reasons for liking it
over a traditional stove are (1) a 25% saving of
fuel, (2) low smoke emissions and 'clean' cooking,
(3) ability to turn down by half, (4) ability to
stand whilst cooking, and (4) greater comfort with
cook experiencing less radiant heat.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The stove has already cause one
proposal of marriage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">They also state that making
biochar is a necessary condition for recommending
the Akha, but I am not completely sure if the
interviewers and respondents fully grasped the
meaning of 'necessary', given their enthusiasm for
the stove's performance. It was our expectation
that biochar could be the critical facilitator in
cookstove acceptance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Biochar is causing some
excitement among farmers as they see the results
of their own field trials. They see biochar as a
means to increase yields whilst being able to
reduce expensive fertilizer inputs. These trials
are ad hoc, and not good for making general
recommendations. In the mean time, however,
biochar from the Akha Biochar Project has been
sent to a couple of local universities, and
graduate students are using it for their thesis
research.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The impact of biochar will be
affected by local soil conditions. If the soil is
fertile, but low in organic matter, then biochar
could have big impact on soil quality, and crop
yield. Much of the agricultural soil in
Bangladesh is low in soil organic matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have had one household
broken into with the thieves making off with the
biochar, and nothing else.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Carbon credit funding would be
helpful for expanding the Akha-Biochar Project,
but it involves measuring household production,
and record-keeping. Being able to provide
evidence that char is being made, and used as
biochar has a cost. However, if the data is
combined with other socio-economic information, it
can be very useful to see who is benefiting from
biochar, and the effects on food security and
economic welfare. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Videos of the Akha can be found
at <a
href="https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biochar-bangladesh.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd03df58051ee481b4e3908d53c71f321%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636481382456880440&sdata=Rsr%2FzPfj%2BTBYj%2B8M7VohWaYtTOa4Z%2FDN1oIdO%2BFt4aQ%3D&reserved=0"
moz-do-not-send="true">
www.biochar-bangladesh.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will be presenting the
results of or preliminary survey at the ETHOS
conference in January.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Akha-Biochar pilot project
is being funded by ICCO-Cooperation, Netherlands,
and run through the facilities and staff of the
Christian Commission for Development in
Bangladesh.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<br>
Julien.<o:p></o:p></p>
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