<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Paul,<div class=""><div class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:41 AM, Paul Anderson <<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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Gordon,<br class="">
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I understand your approach. Correct me if I am wrong.<br class="">
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You are focused on the making of biomass pellets (could be
briquettes). the biomass is abundant but rather dispursed (thinly
distributied) . </div></div></blockquote><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>GW: the distribution is generally 5 tons to 30 tons per acre and is acquired using small scale logging machinery.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">
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Please update us about your work on that fuel preparation. It is a
topic of interest to everyone who has a stove that can utilize
pellets. And I am thinking mainly of the TLUD stoves that do make
the desired biochar. To use those pellets in larger units such as
for centralized (or district) heating would be great, especially
with your system of getting the char as a co-product with the heat.<br class="">
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How large of pelletiizing units (tons per day, or some other
number)?<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>GW: we are working with a gentleman who has two large scale pellet plants in the western U.S. However, the scale of his current plants eclipses our proposed scale (we have not built the unit that will make densified feedstock yet). We have sketched out a process that would use off-the-shelf small scale technologies for hammermilling, drying, and densifying at a 500-1000 pounds per hour capacity (green biomass).<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">
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Please elaborate more about:<br class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class=""> The combination of scaled and use-tailored
biochar+heat systems allows us to harvest even low quality biomass
(dirty, wet, twigs and needles, etc) and manufacture it into
feedstock for more pyrolysis and heat. </blockquote>
Have you operationalized such a set of equipment? Timetable and
budget and other factors. Your next sentence says "will be”.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>GW: we are building and selling the smallest units, now called Sys1 (the ‘charbecue’ you saw at Aprovecho) that can be used for cooking, baking, space heating, and water heating. Sys2 is like the continuous feed unit we had at Aprovecho, that can be used for larger scale space and process heating. A nearby university is purchasing one for use in the lab, as they can run experiments and vary parameters on the fly and get 'real time minus one hour' results. Sys3, the pellet-maker, will be multiple Sys2’s stacked in parallel to achieve desired scale, with a complementary drying/densification system.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">
<blockquote type="cite" class="">Our pellets will be suitable for charring,
even though they probably won’t be good for pellet stoves. </blockquote>
I agree that pellets can be very useful even if not optimized for
pellet stoves.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>We project that the lower grade pellets will cost half as much as premium grade pellets (required for use in pellet heating appliances).</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Gordon</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="">
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Our business is largely springing from the need in the U.S. to
remove woody biomass from overgrown forests and other biomes - we
have what I call a 'liability biomass' problem. The usual approach
to this problem is to dispose of it by controlled burning, though
there have been many attempts to utilize it for co-firing
electrical generation plants, or more exotically, to make jet
fuel. Those massive, concentrated, burn-it-to-ash projects don’t
do very well as for profit enterprises, much less
triple-bottom-line.
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<div class="">We have thousands (tens of thousands?) of rural
communities that are suffering economically, even though they
are surrounded by massive amounts of 'liability biomass’ (note
our problems with catastrophic wildfires). The combination of
scaled and use-tailored biochar+heat systems allows us to
harvest even low quality biomass (dirty, wet, twigs and needles,
etc) and manufacture it into feedstock for more pyrolysis and
heat. Our pellets will be suitable for charring, even though
they probably won’t be good for pellet stoves. </div>
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<div class="">That is the material that we will trade for biochar
to biochar+heat users with cookers and building heaters. The
economics may even support providing devices to users with no
upfront cost - a lease that is paid for with produced biochar.
With adequate biochar markets, the “stoves” can even be fairly
expensive, as long as the char value can cover the “payments”.
That model would require substantial initial investment (or
subsidy, if you wish) to cover the cap cost of producing and
distributing appliances.</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">“We plan
to give the micro-producers<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">free
dried and densified feedstock</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in trade for
their char. “We”, in this case, will be a regional
biochar cooperative that will handle technology
distribution and operation, biomass processing and
feedstock distribution, and biochar aggregation and
marketing.”</div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">There is a
project in Rwanda that operates on a similar basis.
People bring wood fuel to the pellet mill and trade it
for pellets which they use in their pellet stoves.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">People
find the fuel and deliver it when convenient, bringing
enough to trade for a month of cooking fuel.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
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correct in understanding you are looking at something
similar?<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt;
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no char involve, it is a wood fuel from end to end.
The idea is that rural homes will operate that way and
urban families will but the pellets to use instead of
charcoal.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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to my ears. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Aggregation of demands or of use
benefits - monetized or not - is the central
problem of small-scale retail technologies in
the developing countries - be it in energy
(including electricity), water, transport, and
until recently telecom. Anything that has
economies of scale at organizational level --
even the simple issue of disbursing public
money, if planning projects - even if not at
technology level suffers from this problem. <br class="">
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I wonder what you are thinking in terms of the
owners and operators of the community scale
biochar+heat systems or "regional biochar
cooperative". I take it you are thinking of
US-based enterprises and cooperatives, but if
the unit investment size is around $0.5 million
to serve a community (households plus others) of
roughly 10-20 kt per year of feedstock, there
may be markets in some developing countries as
well. (Using waste biomass, if usable.) <br class="">
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Are you planning a survey of cooks in the
developing world where you could add in the
questionnaire "“How important is making (more
than saving) money when you cook?”<br class="">
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Nikhil<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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and to provide a scenario to help to explain
it. We are a relatively new ‘stoves’ R&D
company and manufacturer operating in the U.S.
Our business plan is not directly relevant to
the markets that are the major focus of this
list, but there are some significant
developments in our world carrying what should
be a disruptive lesson for biomass cooking
strategies.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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which we are creating a business model for,
is this: the biochar that is produced from
our TLUD appliances is worth many times more
that the biomass feedstock going in. This is
true on a triple-bottom-line basis, looking
at direct economics, social benefits, and
environmental benefits - note that global
economic systems generally acknowledge only
only transactions involving sale for
currency as “making money” even though the
other non-monetized benefits result in
greater lifecycle economic good than the
direct sales do.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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distinction between fuel and feedstock -
this is a very important point. Fuel is
burned for energy; feedstock is used to make
other products. In our TLUD process, biomass
is always feedstock, from which is produced
char and a flammable gas (a fuel). <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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sans-serif;" class="">One problem with
micro-production of biochar (cookstoves and
heaters in households) is that the char does
not have enough value to cover the cost of
aggregation and sale to existing markets -
and existing markets are poorly developed,
partly because of a lack of supply. Our
solution is to establish community scale
biochar+heat systems that acquire local
biomass for feedstock, process it into char
and heat, use the heat to dry more incoming
biomass, and densify it into pellet or
briquet feedstock. The densified and bagged
feedstock can then be distributed to
micro-producers to make heat for cooking or
other uses while making more char. We plan
to give the micro-producers<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">free dried and densified
feedstock</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in
trade for their char. “We”, in this case,
will be a regional biochar cooperative that
will handle technology distribution and
operation, biomass processing and feedstock
distribution, and biochar aggregation and
marketing. <o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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many problems - the households get free
feedstock, saving significant amounts of
time and money; the feedstock is of a much
higher quality - it is dry and consistent
and dense, making stove operation safer and
better; the char is aggregated into a
marketable form; carbon is sequestered;
adding CO2 to the atmosphere is avoided;
soils and biomass productivity is enhanced;
and water is saved. There are many more
benefits, but those are some top examples.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;
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sans-serif;" class="">In the U.S. we have
the numbers to show that we can make a
business out of this approach. In more
distressed areas, governments and NGOs, who
have more of an interest in the
non-monetized triple-bottom-line benefits,
could set up the core biochar+heat
facilities to produce free feedstock for
micro-producers and manage the char
collection. The subsidies to do this would
actually be long-term investments, and not
bandaids like so many ‘help for the poor’
efforts are.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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to ash in cookstoves for heat does not
really solve any fundamental lifecycle
problems, no matter how cleanly it is done.<o:p class=""></o:p></div>
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