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<p><font size="+1">Dear Philip,</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">There may be a lot more things we can determine
once we get control of the six variables And that will depend on
how much control we can get. Even the discussion Paul and
Crispin are having as the CO and CO2 reactions will need control
of the biomass properties and packing before answers (with help
with using helium surrogate) is determined. And we must be
using real wild biomass prepared for the combustion chamber or
the results will mean nothing when the stove and test results
are delivered to the receiving site. <br>
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<p><font size="+1">I don't know if we can get the variables
controlled enough to do what you suggest about determining high
and low power possibilities. That may be left to Cecil and his
ethnography work to see what people like best. <br>
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<p><font size="+1">But I do feel certain that nothing will be done
(like for the past ten years) until we do get control of the
variables. This is not an engineering problem - like it has been
treated. Simply going from biomass fuel > to > completed
task. And how well people like using the stove. <br>
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<p><font size="+1"> Regards</font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><br>
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<p><font size="+1">Frank Shields</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Gabilan Laboratory</font></p>
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<p><font size="+1"> <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/11/17 8:50 PM, Philip Lloyd
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear
Frank<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One
aspect I felt you had left out was the power at which the
stove was operating. It affects many things. Just boiling
water, at low power you may never get past the nucleate
boiling phase; at high power. The transition to film boiling
can be slow or abrupt. Add something to the water, and heat
transfer again changes – and if what you have added is like
starch, then the viscous properties of the pot contents will
change with time. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Philip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> Stoves
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Frank Shields<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] stove<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Hi Michael, Stovers;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">This is a good example where
the 6-Box system would be useful. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Set up the system so it makes
good tea. The process is to control the variables and modify
one at a time to improve the process. There are lots of
steps you can do but would take some time, test methods and
a little equipment. All simple but not good at this time.
Once you have a good fuel, good technique, and can produce a
good cup of tea I suggest the following:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Box-1) Observe the fuel for
size, moisture, cleanliness etc. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Box - 2: Record the process
loading the combustion chamber.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Box- 3: Record the combustion
chamber; stove model etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Box-4: Establish info
regarding the utensils used; metal, size, heavy-light etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Box-5: Record the process;
stirring, amount of water, amount of tea, sugar added etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Box-6: Determine a good
repeatable Completion Point. Perhaps water just starts to
boil or i can hold my hand on the side of the pot for just
one second.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">You need to know what an
improvement would look like for you. Quicker tea but not
care of amount of fuel. Save on fuel, walk away with less
manipulation, air quality, amount of char left, quality of
char produced, etc. Whats important is what the end user
decides important. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Now all steps are controlled
and should be repeatable. You can change one Box at a time
and see if that improves the process. Use dryer wood or stir
more frequently. Use a lighter pot or less water. Add wood
more frequent in smaller quantities - try to get the best
conditions. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Because no-one else is doing
the same system you will not be able to compare to other
systems. But you might be able to improve your own. And
there are lots of measurements for the fuel that can be made
(not described here) but use simple test methods and no need
for a real lab. Perhaps just some basic equipment. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Frank</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt">Gabilan Laboratory</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/11/17 6:24 PM, Michael N Trevor
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt">Lets
look at this another way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt">NO
lab, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt">NO
equipment<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt">How do
I test? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:18.0pt">I
thinking how well it cooks my tea is a good tool<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:56 PM,
Xavier Brandao <<a
href="mailto:xav.brandao@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">xav.brandao@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR">Dear Kirk,</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR">Thanks a lot for
contributing to the debate, and for sharing your
story.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR">Now this is really
interesting.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR"><br>
You developed a stove that is, from what I read,
highly performing.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR">You needed to use
a lab protocol to develop it, you used the WBT.
You say it allowed you to improve the stove, to
the level it is today.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR">“Perhaps the
same results could have been achieved without
the WBT, but I could not have measured them, so
there might have been changes in the stove that
made no improvement because I couldn’t test
them. A lot of luck would have been involved.”</span></i><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR">You could have
improved your stove while using another lab
protocol. There are other lab protocols allowing
to measure the performance without relying on
luck, of course there are.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR">The questions that
I think of: were some of the results of the WBT
useful, some other misleading? All of them useful?
Did you develop and improve your stove thank to,
or despite the WBT? Would you have made your stove
better with another lab protocol, or worse?</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR">It would be great
to compare the way you did the testing with the
WBT, and the way you would have done it with
another lab protocol. And see how results may have
differed.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR"><br>
Can people working with other protocols on the
List react?</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR"><br>
Best,</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR"><br>
Xavier</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR"> </span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D" lang="FR"> </span><span
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="FR">De :</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="FR"> Stoves [mailto:<a
href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b>De la part de</b> Kirk H.<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> mardi 12 décembre 2017 02:12<br>
<b>À :</b> Ronal W. Larson; Discussion of
biomass cooking stoves<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Stoves] stove</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="FR"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Ron and All,</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">I did use the WBT to develop the
Wonderwerk 316 stove. It was however only
part of the overall testing. Mainly I used it
to test changes in the stove intended to get
more of the heat produced by the stove to the
surface of the pot, and less heat lost out the
sides of the stove. I used the same
pot/skirt/pot-stand combination through all of
this part of the testing, so the WBT showed
only the results of the changes in the stove.
I was not so concerned about the geometry of
the cooking surface because it will change for
different uses; pot, frying pan, wok, plancha,
or whatever. I was concerned only with
getting the most possible heat that is
produced by the stove to the cooking surface.
Perhaps the same results could have been
achieved without the WBT, but I could not have
measured them, so there might have been
changes in the stove that made no improvement
because I couldn’t test them. A lot of luck
would have been involved.</span><span
lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">This way of using the WBT was
only at Aprovecho. At Berkely we were testing
the stove as designed at Aprovecho, not making
changes. </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Kirk H.</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US">Sent from <a
href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Mail</a>
for Windows 10</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
lang="EN-US">From: </span></b><span
lang="EN-US"><a
href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Ronal
W. Larson</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Monday, December 11, 2017 3:32
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: stove</span><span
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lang="EN-US">The stove list has had a lot of
disagreement about the water boiling test
(WBT). Can you say that you used that a lot
to make iterative improvements? And
eventually of course at Apro and Berkeley.
Any way that today’s results could have been
made without the WBT?</span><span lang="FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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