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Ron,<br>
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I attended the webinar also, and have reactions very similar to
yours. When you mentioned a graph, I kwew which one even before I
saw that you send a copy of that graph. <br>
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On the financial side of fuels for the very poor people, biomass
(wood) will eventually win out. Well, at present, wood etc IS the
defacto fuel of the poor. What we are doing is trying to provide
the advanced biomass-burning cookstoves. The case for TLUD
micro-gasifier stoves is stronger and stronger every day. <br>
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And LPG will not be an obstacle except while sucking up so much of
the government support money. That will change.<br>
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Paul <br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/13/2017 10:44 PM, Ronal W. Larson
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<div class="">Today, I listened to the Winrock webinar on LPG
stoves. I expected to be disheartened. Instead I came away
quite happy. The main reason is this (4-year old) graph (which
can have a negative income curve as well - if one makes char
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The
LPG industry is choosing to pitch their fight against
charcoal-consuming stoves, not biomass-consuming. I say great.
Their industry is growing rapidly - and certainly some
wood-burning stoves will be displaced as well. But there is
going to be plenty of market left over for money saving stoves.
The LPG business is predominantly for cooking and these folks
know their market well (as do most big businesses - and this is
big business.)</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>There
was zero mention of health issues. Not sure why that route. I
posed that question but it was not passed on. I believe we will
hear answers to all questions after a bit - so I may be able to
add more.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I
asked about electricity - and they said that can beat LPG; a
surprise. But char-making stoves that make money don’t have to
worry about electricity either as a competitor (where income
levels are low).</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>There
was admission that there was going to be stacking of stoves -
one reason being flavoring. Again a plus for biomass stoves.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A
major claim was that LPG saves time; so do pyrolysis stoves.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>So
the reason I am happy is that they supported those of us
believe that topics like fuel operating costs, time-savings and
efficiency matters. When char-making (TLUDs and others) stoves
are making (not costing) money, this webinar tells me that these
LPG proponents know that won’t be able to touch them.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>The
final speaker was from Envirofit (Ft Collins CO) - pushing PAYGO
additions to the fuel canisters (pay per use). I’ve been a
little close to that concept and think it very smart. He did a
good job (as did the LPG top official). I suppose there is a
way to do the same with pellet dispensers (not necessarily at
the home). The housewife puts a kg of char into the machine and
4 kg of pellets are returned (and/or with money) - if she is a
registered customer with a cell phone.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>In
sum, I now feel the LPG folk are going to have very tough
competition against char (and money) making stoves. The
environment wins on both carbon neutral and carbon negative
grounds. I AM NOT here claiming that char-making stoves are
cleaner than LPG, nor that health issues are not important.
They are very important. Just that there are a lot of
biomass-users out there who will like the prospect of
saving/making money - this being Paul Anderson’s thesis -agreed
to by the LPG industry. And it will only get better when we
have a carbon tax.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I’ll
let everyone know when the video is released - probably a week
or two. (see the PCIA website)</div>
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