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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>The (non-fee) paper is at <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.atmos-chem-phys.net%2F17%2F13721%2F2017%2Facp-17-13721-2017.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9c9e4ef4b7bb45b355aa08d544c46bd1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636490532768269704&sdata=I38hyuRA5jC7RBYcUSYnCtTkYShc86vz%2FQdidOzN7jE%3D&reserved=0" class="">https://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/17/13721/2017/acp-17-13721-2017.pdf</a> </div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>The supplement at <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.atmos-chem-phys.net%2F17%2F13721%2F2017%2Facp-17-13721-2017-supplement.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9c9e4ef4b7bb45b355aa08d544c46bd1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636490532768269704&sdata=HawQN6NDVcDuru82mL8HDkdOH3Cm59FpYgkCmJDhKn0%3D&reserved=0" class="">https://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/17/13721/2017/acp-17-13721-2017-supplement.pdf</a></div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Looks like a credible paper - but not one I am going to read carefully as it is only related to traditional chulas. Seems to have a somewhat different means of monitoring the pollutants
- in the field. I doubt one can use this paper to downgrade the WBT.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>I am going to guess you won’t like the paper as it is full of health rationales (for India).</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Re repeatability, I am working up more on fuel shape, which is a main feature of the L’Orange et al paper. Fuel shape also not covered in the TLUD paper I noted with the 10% efficiency
that Crispin has since commented on.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"></span>Twenty years ago we had some fine comments from a Professor at Washington University - who (I vaguely recall) was interested in some seeds that performed well for cooking because of their
high oil content - that had no other use, because they were poisonous.</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Nikhil Desai <<a href="mailto:pienergy2008@gmail.com" class="">pienergy2008@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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I wonder what protocols and fuels were used, and also whether they only measured emissions but also concentrations and tried to model the two. <br class="">
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Related press release at <a href="https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsource.wustl.edu%2F2017%2F08%2Fengineers-work-fight-pollution-home-globally%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C9c9e4ef4b7bb45b355aa08d544c46bd1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636490532768269704&sdata=0DwGfd5Y67LxgHk49S98UBdd2umTIsFkO89g62Idyx8%3D&reserved=0" class="">Engineers
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