<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Stoves List: (many on this list are also biochar list members - so apologies for sending this twice.)<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I could have used many ways to make biochar as I supported a French CDR (carbon dioxide removal) person, who objected to the way 3 organizers of a future CDR conference were describing all CDR approaches as “controversial". I chose Dr. Julien’s message to this list because I think it really well proves the beauty of char-making stoves, while also making a real positive statement about both biochar’s CDR’s potential. So many thanks to Julien for his message a few weeks ago.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>i just looked up the value of a “tk” = Taka, which is 1.2 cents. So the woman quoted below made $9.00 in a “few months” just in charcoal - but also was buying less wood. And someone else was making money off increased soil productivity and less expense for fertilizer. The price for her char was (at 1000 times 12 cents) $120/tonne char. This is about $40 tonne CO2 - and many CDR approaches are bragging they can get down to $100/tonne CO2.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Anyone on this list see why biochar (and char-making stoves) should be “controversial? (This thread being about CDR controversiality.)<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"Ronal W. Larson" <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" class="">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Fwd: [CDR] [geo] EASST 2018 - CfP - The politics of negative emissions</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">December 22, 2017 at 11:34:52 PM MST<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Biochar <<a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" class="">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><br class=""><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">List:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I suggest below that biochar proponents <u class=""><b class="">not</b></u> attend a meeting where biochar will certainly be discussed. But if anyone can attend this meeting (time and place TBD), you might have a very interesting time. I do of course hope some list member will be able to submit an abstract per instructions at <a href="https://nomadit.co.uk/easst/easst2018/conferencesuite.php/panels/6270" class="">https://nomadit.co.uk/easst/easst2018/conferencesuite.php/panels/6270</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">From: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">"Ronal W. Larson" <<a href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net" class="">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Re: [CDR] [geo] EASST 2018 - CfP - The politics of negative emissions</b><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Date: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">December 22, 2017 at 11:22:16 PM MST<br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Renaud de RICHTER <<a href="mailto:renaud.derichter@gmail.com" class="">renaud.derichter@gmail.com</a>>, Carbon Dioxide Removal <<a href="mailto:CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com" class="">CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com</a>><br class=""></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><b class="">Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="mailto:n.markusson@lancaster.ac.uk" class="">n.markusson@lancaster.ac.uk</a>, <a href="mailto:rob.bellamy@insis.ox.ac.uk" class="">rob.bellamy@insis.ox.ac.uk</a>, <a href="mailto:d.mclaren@lancaster.ac.uk" class="">d.mclaren@lancaster.ac.uk</a>, RAU greg <<a href="mailto:ghrau@sbcglobal.net" class="">ghrau@sbcglobal.net</a>><br class=""></span></div><br class=""><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Dr. de Richter and CDR list</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1. Thanks for your contribution - adding the word “some”. I like your emphasis on methane and N2O removal via solar towers; biochar can do some of the same.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2. Being active on the biochar side of CDR, I was very pleased to hear this past month of a successful biochar operation in a report on a “stoves” list by Dr. Julien Winter. His Bangladesh biochar organization’s website had two articles on a new stove type that both used less wood and produced about 20% charcoal, which is being placed in soil as biochar. The articles and a brief excerpt from each are:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_06_03_TheNewNation.pdf" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>a. One and a half years ago: http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_06_03_TheNewNation.pdf</a></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><i class="">If one household burning 3kg of wood per day
produced 0.6kg of biochar per day, they would have
18kg of biochar per month. For a village of 500
households, that could amount to 108,000 kg biochar
per year. Across the landscape, the people of
Bangladesh could become the World’s largest per capita
sequesters of carbon. This is, as a by-product of
cooking without cutting any additional forest. </i></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_12_11_DhakaTribune_Akha.pdf" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>b. One year ago: http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_12_11_DhakaTribune_Akha.pdf</a></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><i class="">In Manikganj, Monkhusi Halder has been using them for a few months and she sells the bio-char
to farmers as fertiliser, making some extra cash along with dinner.
“I have been using this stove for the last few months and sold 75kgs of bio-char for Tk10 per kg,
reducing the cost of fuel,” Monkhusi told the Dhaka Tribune while using her Akha stove.
Khorshed Ali, a farmer in Manikganj, was visibly excited about the new bio-char fertiliser.</i></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>These articles are not emphasizing CDR - but there is zero conflict with soil improvements, increased food production and, income generation. And trivial investment- we heard the stoves cost about $20.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.biochar-international.org/network/communities" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3. At http://www.biochar-international.org/network/communities</a> you can see the names of more than 50 similar regional biochar groups. About 10 years ago, there was only IBI, the International Biochar Initiative (see same site for its 10-year history) . Does any other CDR approach have 10% as much global grassroots CDR support? What is the evidence that biochar is “deeply controversial”? I don’t believe China is finding the subject controversial; the IBI site describes a very aggressive 5-year plan that is well along. China is clearly the world biochar leader - and the IBI headquarters has been moved there.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4. I now find it difficult to encourage any biochar supporter to attend this meeting. Pity - as we need more multi-CDR meetings - if the discussion is not pre-ordained to prove universal “controversiality”.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 22, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Renaud de RICHTER <<a href="mailto:renaud.derichter@gmail.com" class="">renaud.derichter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Does not start very friendly:<br class=""><div class=""><span class="">... <i class=""><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)" class="">Much like their taxonomic cousins, geoengineering by reflecting
sunlight back into space, negative emissions ideas are also deeply
controversial, potentially propping up carbon capitalism, making
sweeping
changes to land-use and posing significant environmental risks.</span></i> ...<br class=""></span></div><div class="">Why not adding the word "<i class=""><span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)" class=""><b class="">some</b></span></i>" just before "... <span class=""><i class=""><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)" class="">negative emissions ideas are </span></i></span><span class=""><i class=""><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)" class="">also deeply
controversial,..."</span></i></span></div><div class=""><br class=""><span class=""><span class="">Nils, Rob & Duncan, there are many NETs that are not controversial, but are just not yet well known nor discussed.<br class=""></span></span></div><div class=""><span class=""><span class=""><br class=""></span></span></div><div class=""><span class=""><span class="">Bw, and Season's Greetings!<br class=""></span></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2017-12-22 20:31 GMT+01:00 Greg Rau <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:ghrau@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank" class="">ghrau@sbcglobal.net</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-h5"><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">
<div class="gmail-m_1803827614254045946WordSection1"><p class="gmail-MsoNormal"><a name="m_1803827614254045946__Hlk501703479" class="">Dear all,<br class="">
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We invite you to submit proposals for papers to our open panel<br class="">
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</a><span class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></p><p class="gmail-MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><span class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif" class="">The politics of negative emissions</span></b></span><span class=""><b class="">
<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></b></span></p><p class="gmail-MsoNormal"><span class="">At <i class="">Meetings – Making Science, Technology and Society together</i>, EASST2018 Conference, Lancaster, UK, 25-28 July 2018 - <a href="https://easst2018.easst.net/" target="_blank" class="">https://easst2018.easst.net/</a></span><span class=""><br class="">
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Convenors: <br class="">
Nils Markusson (Lancaster University) <a href="mailto:n.markusson@lancaster.ac.uk" target="_blank" class="">n.markusson@lancaster.ac.uk</a><br class="">
Rob Bellamy (University of Oxford) <a href="mailto:rob.bellamy@insis.ox.ac.uk" target="_blank" class="">rob.bellamy@insis.ox.ac.uk</a><br class="">
Duncan McLaren (Lancaster University) <a href="mailto:d.mclaren@lancaster.ac.uk" target="_blank" class="">d.mclaren@lancaster.ac.uk</a><br class="">
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</span></span><span class="">The Paris Agreement on climate change has set out global commitments to keeping global warming well below 2 °C above preindustrial levels and to aim for limiting the rise to 1.5 °C. The Intergovernmental
Panel on Climate Change has concluded that meeting these targets is possible – but nearly all of their scenarios rely on the extensive deployment of large-scale technologies that remove greenhouse gases from the atmosphere but do not currently exist (as complete
socio-technical systems). Critics have argued that assumptions about when such ‘negative emissions’ technologies might be ready and how they might be deployed at an impactful scale are desperately optimistic.
</span><span class=""><span style="background:yellow none repeat scroll 0% 0%" class=""><br class="">
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</span></span><span class="">Much like their taxonomic cousins, geoengineering by reflecting sunlight back into space, negative emissions ideas are also deeply controversial, potentially propping up carbon capitalism, making sweeping
changes to land-use and posing significant environmental risks. This panel seeks to explore the politics of these prospective negative emissions technologies and what they imply for our changing relationship with nature in the age of the Anthropocene. We ask:
what political imaginaries and interests are co-produced with negative emissions ideas in climate models, experiments and policies? How might research, development and deployment of carbon removal be governed responsibly where power relations and socio-technical
systems are co-evolving? </span><span class=""><span class="">What are the implications for power, knowledge and politics of (discursive) decoupling of carbon removal from other forms of geoengineering?
</span></span><span class="">How does negative emissions politics compare to other technoscientific politics? What should our roles as STS scholars be when engaging with negative emissions?</span><span class=""><span style="background:yellow none repeat scroll 0% 0%" class="">
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</span></span><span class="">To submit a paper please go to
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</span></span><span class="">The call for papers closes at midnight CET on 14 February, 2018.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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