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Jorund,<br>
<br>
Interesting comment that might open some door in the future.
Factors include the number of stoves and their concentration that
would make char collection (buy-back) financially viable. Do you
know what the people do with the char now? Sorry, no funding
source is in view at this time.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/25/2017 6:30 PM, Jorund Buen
wrote:<br>
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Dear all,
<div>We mentioned the potential for charcoal gathering&selling
in our proposal in 2012 or 2013 to USAID/Conservancy
International for a stove distribution project in North Sumatra.
The project was funded, and formed the basis for our Indonesia
distribution today, but that specific idea wasn’t picked up. I’d
be interested in piloting it, if the context (and, yes, funding)
is right.<br>
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<div>Jorund Buen</div>
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24. des. 2017 kl. 05:25 skrev Paul Anderson <<a
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>:<br>
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<div> Ron and Julien,<br>
<br>
Good that your did the monetary exchange rates and the
conversion from C to CO2e to get the cost per ton. That
needs to be done with the raw numbers for the Deganga TLUD
project in India. I will ask the project implementer to
make those calculations and sent them to me. <br>
<br>
We need to build the case for the value of the char from
TLUD stoves. Whether sold to be burned or to be used as
biochar is not the issue. <br>
<br>
I have not heard of other TLUD projects with selling of the
charcoal made in TLUDs. Maybe Prime has an example???<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/23/2017 1:01 AM, Ronal W.
Larson wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:A99E7BC6-7750-4F08-8737-3EB551E813F2@comcast.net">
Stoves List: (many on this list are also biochar list
members - so apologies for sending this twice.)
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I
could have used many ways to make biochar as I supported
a French CDR (carbon dioxide removal) person, who
objected to the way 3 organizers of a future CDR
conference were describing all CDR approaches as
“controversial". I chose Dr. Julien’s message to this
list because I think it really well proves the beauty of
char-making stoves, while also making a real positive
statement about both biochar’s CDR’s potential. So many
thanks to Julien for his message a few weeks ago.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>i
just looked up the value of a “tk” = Taka, which is 1.2
cents. So the woman quoted below made $9.00 in a “few
months” just in charcoal - but also was buying less
wood. And someone else was making money off increased
soil productivity and less expense for fertilizer. The
price for her char was (at 1000 times 12 cents)
$120/tonne char. This is about $40 tonne CO2 - and many
CDR approaches are bragging they can get down to
$100/tonne CO2.</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Anyone
on this list see why biochar (and char-making stoves)
should be “controversial? (This thread being about CDR
controversiality.)<br class="">
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<div class="">Ron</div>
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<div><br class="">
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class=""><b class="">Fwd: [CDR] [geo] EASST
2018 - CfP - The politics of negative
emissions</b><br class="">
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class="">December 22, 2017 at 11:34:52 PM MST<br
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class="">To: </b></span><span
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class="">Biochar <<a
href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>><br
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</span></div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I
suggest below that biochar proponents <u
class=""><b class="">not</b></u> attend a
meeting where biochar will certainly be
discussed. But if anyone can attend this
meeting (time and place TBD), you might
have a very interesting time. I do of
course hope some list member will be able to
submit an abstract per instructions at <a
href="https://nomadit.co.uk/easst/easst2018/conferencesuite.php/panels/6270"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://nomadit.co.uk/easst/easst2018/conferencesuite.php/panels/6270</a></div>
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<div class="">Ron</div>
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W. Larson" <<a
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class="">Re: [CDR] [geo] EASST
2018 - CfP - The politics of
negative emissions</b><br class="">
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22, 2017 at 11:22:16 PM MST<br
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class=""><b class="">To: </b></span><span
style="font-family:
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Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">Renaud
de RICHTER <<a
href="mailto:renaud.derichter@gmail.com"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">renaud.derichter@gmail.com</a>>,
Carbon Dioxide Removal <<a
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class="" moz-do-not-send="true">CarbonDioxideRemoval@googlegroups.com</a>><br
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href="mailto:n.markusson@lancaster.ac.uk" class=""
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<a
href="mailto:rob.bellamy@insis.ox.ac.uk"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">rob.bellamy@insis.ox.ac.uk</a>,
<a
href="mailto:d.mclaren@lancaster.ac.uk"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true">d.mclaren@lancaster.ac.uk</a>,
RAU greg <<a
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class="" moz-do-not-send="true">ghrau@sbcglobal.net</a>><br
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<div class="">Dr. de Richter and
CDR list</div>
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<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>1.
Thanks for your contribution -
adding the word “some”. I like
your emphasis on methane and N2O
removal via solar towers; biochar
can do some of the same.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>2.
Being active on the biochar side
of CDR, I was very pleased to hear
this past month of a successful
biochar operation in a report on a
“stoves” list by Dr. Julien
Winter. His Bangladesh biochar
organization’s website had two
articles on a new stove type that
both used less wood and produced
about 20% charcoal, which is being
placed in soil as biochar. The
articles and a brief excerpt from
each are:</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><a
href="http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_06_03_TheNewNation.pdf"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>a.
One and a half years ago:
http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_06_03_TheNewNation.pdf</a></div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><i
class="">If one household
burning 3kg of wood per day
produced 0.6kg of biochar per
day, they would have 18kg of
biochar per month. For a village
of 500 households, that could
amount to 108,000 kg biochar per
year. Across the landscape, the
people of Bangladesh could
become the World’s largest per
capita sequesters of carbon.
This is, as a by-product of
cooking without cutting any
additional forest. </i></div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><a
href="http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_12_11_DhakaTribune_Akha.pdf"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>b.
One year ago:
http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_12_11_DhakaTribune_Akha.pdf</a></div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span><i
class="">In Manikganj, Monkhusi
Halder has been using them for a
few months and she sells the
bio-char to farmers as
fertiliser, making some extra
cash along with dinner. “I have
been using this stove for the
last few months and sold 75kgs
of bio-char for Tk10 per kg,
reducing the cost of fuel,”
Monkhusi told the Dhaka Tribune
while using her Akha stove.
Khorshed Ali, a farmer in
Manikganj, was visibly excited
about the new bio-char
fertiliser.</i></div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>These
articles are not emphasizing CDR -
but there is zero conflict with
soil improvements, increased food
production and, income generation.
And trivial investment- we heard
the stoves cost about $20.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><a
href="http://www.biochar-international.org/network/communities"
class="" moz-do-not-send="true"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>3.
At
http://www.biochar-international.org/network/communities</a>
you can see the names of more than
50 similar regional biochar
groups. About 10 years ago,
there was only IBI, the
International Biochar Initiative
(see same site for its 10-year
history) . Does any other CDR
approach have 10% as much global
grassroots CDR support? What is
the evidence that biochar is
“deeply controversial”? I don’t
believe China is finding the
subject controversial; the IBI
site describes a very aggressive
5-year plan that is well along.
China is clearly the world
biochar leader - and the IBI
headquarters has been moved there.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>4.
I now find it difficult to
encourage any biochar supporter to
attend this meeting. Pity - as we
need more multi-CDR meetings - if
the discussion is not pre-ordained
to prove universal
“controversiality”.</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">Ron</div>
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<div class="">On Dec 22, 2017,
at 1:10 PM, Renaud de RICHTER
<<a
href="mailto:renaud.derichter@gmail.com"
class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">renaud.derichter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="">Does
not start very friendly:<br
class="">
<div class=""><span class="">...
<i class=""><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"
class="">Much like
their taxonomic
cousins,
geoengineering by
reflecting sunlight
back into space,
negative emissions
ideas are also
deeply
controversial,
potentially propping
up carbon
capitalism, making
sweeping changes to
land-use and posing
significant
environmental risks.</span></i>
...<br class="">
</span></div>
<div class="">Why not adding
the word "<i class=""><span
style="color:rgb(255,0,0)" class=""><b class="">some</b></span></i>"
just before "... <span
class=""><i class=""><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,255)" class="">negative emissions ideas are </span></i></span><span
class=""><i class=""><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,255)" class="">also deeply controversial,..."</span></i></span></div>
<div class=""><br class="">
<span class=""><span
class="">Nils, Rob
& Duncan, there
are many NETs that are
not controversial, but
are just not yet well
known nor discussed.<br
class="">
</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span class=""><span
class="">Bw, and
Season's Greetings!<br
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negative
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<p
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class="">At <i
class="">Meetings
– Making
Science,
Technology and
Society
together</i>,
EASST2018
Conference,
Lancaster, UK,
25-28 July
2018 - <a
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moz-do-not-send="true">n.markusson@lancaster.ac.uk</a><br
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(University of
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class="">The
Paris
Agreement on
climate change
has set out
global
commitments to
keeping global
warming well
below 2 °C
above
preindustrial
levels and to
aim for
limiting the
rise to 1.5
°C. The
Intergovernmental
Panel on
Climate Change
has concluded
that meeting
these targets
is possible –
but nearly all
of their
scenarios rely
on the
extensive
deployment of
large-scale
technologies
that remove
greenhouse
gases from the
atmosphere but
do not
currently
exist (as
complete
socio-technical
systems). Critics have argued that assumptions about when such ‘negative
emissions’
technologies
might be ready
and how they
might be
deployed at an
impactful
scale are
desperately
optimistic. </span><span
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class="">Much
like their
taxonomic
cousins,
geoengineering
by reflecting
sunlight back
into space,
negative
emissions
ideas are also
deeply
controversial,
potentially
propping up
carbon
capitalism,
making
sweeping
changes to
land-use and
posing
significant
environmental
risks. This
panel seeks to
explore the
politics of
these
prospective
negative
emissions
technologies
and what they
imply for our
changing
relationship
with nature in
the age of the
Anthropocene.
We ask: what
political
imaginaries
and interests
are
co-produced
with negative
emissions
ideas in
climate
models,
experiments
and policies?
How might
research,
development
and deployment
of carbon
removal be
governed
responsibly
where power
relations and
socio-technical systems are co-evolving? </span><span class=""><span
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implications
for power,
knowledge and
politics of
(discursive)
decoupling of
carbon removal
from other
forms of
geoengineering?
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does negative
emissions
politics
compare to
other
technoscientific
politics? What
should our
roles as STS
scholars be
when engaging
with negative
emissions?</span><span
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papers closes
at midnight
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February,
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