<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Stephen: cc list</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I associate you primarily these days with biochar, not stoves. But your below history says this list would benefit a good bit on your reactions to the char-making stove developed for Bangladesh by Dr. Julien Winter. The stove has had great success because of the success with increased garden productivity due to biochar. Let me know if you missed that story on this list from a few weeks ago.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ron</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 24, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Stephen Joseph <<a href="mailto:joey.stephen@gmail.com" class="">joey.stephen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Dear Friends<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am sad to hear about the closure of Boiling point especially since our team at Intermediate Technology Development Group (ITDG) initiated the publication I think in 1980 (to long ago to remember exactly). I have so many fond memories of the 5 years I spent as ITDG stove project manager working with amazing people in Africa Asia and Latin America</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is interesting that the projects we were involved, local women and men played the pivotal role in the design and testing of the cook stoves. Our team were just their to provide technical and financial assistance. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was in Ethiopia 18 months ago and the charcoal and wood injera stove developed by working with womens groups by a team of dedicated researchers, engineers and entrepreneurs from both Ethiopia, Kenya (John Kimani), Australia, UK in the 80/90's as part of a Gov Ethiopia/World Bank project is still being manufactured and sold. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Also I would especially like to praise the great work that Max Kinyanjui did in Kenya and Hashini Navaratna and her team in Sri Lanka, Arianto Sudjarwo and the team at Dian Desa, Madhu Sarin in India, Aroon Chomcharn in Thailand, Amando Caceres and his team in Guatemala, Agnes Klingshirn for her support from GTZ, Marilyn Hoskins in FAO but many more people. The 80's was a very exciting time for cookstove development.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">All the best for 2018 and lets hope that the many good cookstove projects continue to succeed.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><div class="">Stephen Joseph</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Tom Miles <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target="_blank" class="">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" class=""><div class="m_2515751331304577646WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Teddy,<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Good quote. Boiling Point was indeed a great publication. It looks like the HEDON network has gone into the sunset after many good years. Are Grant and the E Co Ltd. Team still engaged in household energy in Southern Africa? <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Tom<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_2515751331304577646__MailEndCompose" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></a></p><span class=""></span><p class="MsoNormal"><b class="">From:</b> Stoves [mailto:<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" class="">stoves-bounces@lists.<wbr class="">bioenergylists.org</a>] <b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Cookswell Jikos<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b> Sunday, December 24, 2017 3:26 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" class="">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.<wbr class="">org</a>>; <a href="mailto:board@hedon.info" target="_blank" class="">board@hedon.info</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b> [Stoves] End of an era, start of a new?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">It was quite sad to read about the end of the Hedon Boiling Point publication (<a href="http://hedon.info/BP:Latest+Issue" target="_blank" class="">http://hedon.info/BP:Latest+<wbr class="">Issue</a>) I have thoroughly enjoyed reading them for many years. Hats off to all of the Boiling Point team for all your hard work over years and thank you very much. I hope it is indeed the start to a new era though and someone can find a way to keep it going. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">One section caught my eye given some of the recent topics on this listserve;<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><i class=""><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129" class="">''In regards to the stove itself, there continues to be a somewhat unresolved trade-off between the technical quality of cookstoves and their acceptance and usability by cooks. As Crewe (1997:67) has previously argued, “cooks have not usually been involved in the development of the stove, except to test its ‘acceptability’ after a bout of technical work was complete” suggesting that there is still an unequal focus on the technocratic elements of ICS.</span></i><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129" class="">At the same time, the technical concerns (such as efficiency, emissions and safety) prioritised by donors and implementers of stove programmes are not necessarily shared by intended beneficiaries (Tronsco et al. 2007). Indeed, this continues to fuel the one-size fits all approach and in fact what you end up with is a technology that tries to do everything and is stripped of the functions that matter most to the cooks that use it (Figure 3).</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129" class="">However, there is growing acceptance in the literature to explore the ‘why’ questions that ultimately lend themselves back to end-user preferences (Beyene and Koch 2013; Kohlin et al. 2011). One such example can be taken from the Ashden Award winner: Greenway Grameen in India whereby they compromised on aspects of the technology that would have given lower emissions as it was not compatible with user’s needs. <br class="">(Ray et al. n.d.).</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in" class=""><i class=""><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129" class="">At the same time, the market based approach prides itself on growing technological sophistication and as a result there is emphasis on testing ICS in order to harmonise quality standards and regulation in the sector''</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129" class=""> There is an excellent cartoon next to it as well (<a href="https://www.facebook.com/EastAfricanBiomassEnergyPortal/videos/1884080061921173/" target="_blank" class="">link here</a>) <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in" class=""><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in" class=""><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129" class="">I will miss reading this publication as I have learned much from it over the years but I wish the best to all who were involved. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in" class=""><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1d2129" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p style="margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:4.5pt;margin-left:0in" class=""><span 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