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    Dear Steven,<br>
    <br>
    I have copied this message (and yours below) to my partner, Paul
    Wever, President of Chip Energy.<br>
    <br>
    Please note the change in the Subject title:   We are NOT discussing
    a TLUD cookdstove.   We are discussing what is called "AVUD"
    (Another Variaion UpDraft) gasification.     It is part of the
    article at:   <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.drtlud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/BP53-Anderson-14.pdf">http://www.drtlud.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/BP53-Anderson-14.pdf</a><br>
    <br>
    That article was written before we made the larger Biomass Furnace.<br>
    <br>
    The  Chip Energy Biomass Furnace could be rated at 50 kW thermal as
    it currently stands.   And we have results from a thrid-party
    evaluator of the emissions..   But we have not done any USEPA
    standards tests.   And we are not planning on such standards
    testing.   That could be done in conjunction with an Ontario entity.<br>
    <br>
    And as I mentioned, there is a fullly functional unit available in a
    20 ft shipping container.<br>
    <br>
    Any assistance that you or others could provide would be
    appreciated.<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/23/2018 12:03 PM, Law, Steven
      (MOECC) wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
            Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Is
            your Chip Energy system certified to any USEPA performance
            standard? We make use of US standards for wood heating
            devices in our building code.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also,
            we have a new regulation that says any clean wood heating
            device is exempt from the air quality regulation if the heat
            output is a maximum of 50 kW thermal, otherwise you will
            have to get some kind of air quality permit, depending on a
            number of factors.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">So,
            if your device can be “rated” to a maximum of 50 kW thermal
            output (or less) and be certified to the US standards as
            last referenced in Ontario’s building code, you might have a
            case for selling your technology to customers in Ontario.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            hope this is helpful, let us know if you wish to discuss
            further.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best
            regards, Steven<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                  lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                lang="EN-US"> Paul Anderson [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> January 18, 2018 2:26 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Sauve, Terrence (OMAFRA); Discussion of
                biomass cooking stoves<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mhatech@yahoogroups.com">mhatech@yahoogroups.com</a>; Andrew Heggie; Law,
                Steven (MOECC); Ronal W. Larson<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Top lit updraft combustors<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Terrence and Steven,<br>
          <br>
          I am glad to assist with the masonary heating system.   Also
          nice to discover your initial and on-going interests:
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Steven
            and I are focusing on biomass hot water heating systems for
            multi-urban, institutional and commercial project size
          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">About THAT topic, I have additional inputs
          to share with you.   In a separate effort from my cookstoves
          work, a few years back my partner Paul Wever and I created
          Chip Energy (Illinois company) and developed the Chip Energy
          Biomass Furnace.   Beautiful for making the hot water heating
          systems!!!   I can certainly be scaled up.  Hard to make
          smaller unless the price does not go down much.  
          <br>
          <br>
          You can read about it at    <a
            href="http://www.chipenergy.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.chipenergy.com</a>
             Four were made.   One that is complete in a 20 ft shipping
          container is currently available (about US$45,000), and
          certainly can be seen in operation, including at Chip Energy
          in Goodfield, Illinois.   Produces about 50 - 60 KW thermal
          (>200,000 BTU/hr).   Are you interested in the smaller end
          of the range of such water heating systems?     Yes, it does
          produce charcoal, with even the ability to adjust char
          characteristics related to the temperature of char creation. <br>
          <br>
          With that introduction to express my interest in your work,
          please send me information about your interests in biomass hot
          water heating systems.   SIZE is a major distinguishing
          factor.   
          <br>
          <br>
          Paul<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <pre>Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Email:  <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Website:  <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 1/18/2018 11:08 AM, Sauve, Terrence
            (OMAFRA) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi
              Paul, this is interesting and very new to us.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
              was lucky to participate in Crispin’s stove testing camp
              in Eastern Ontario a couple of years ago. This was my
              first introduction to third-world country design and
              measurements for stoves, as well as more typical NA
              stoves.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Steven
              and I are focusing on biomass hot water heating systems
              for multi-urban, institutional and commercial project size
              so we will have to spend more time understanding how
              masonry heaters and smaller residential stoves all work
              out. </span>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
              will be participating on the update of CSA B415.1-10
              standard, which should be revived at a certain point. I
              imagine and strongly recommend that any North American
              resident should be interested in its development, now that
              it’s an official reference in the US EPA NSPS regulation
              for residential forced-air wood furnaces (cordwood and
              pellet). Also, the stack loss method is used to report
              stove efficiency, since we don’t assume a blanket 75% HHV
              for all EPA Phase II certified stoves…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
              and looking forward to hear your interests and
              developments. I am a past listserv reader (gasification,
              biogas, stoves) back in the day when I was at university…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Terrence</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"v","serif";color:#1F497D">_________________________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"v","serif";color:#1F497D">Terrence
                Sauvé, M.Sc., P.Eng.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"v","serif";color:#1F497D">OMAFRA</span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"v","serif";color:#1F497D"><a
                  href="www.linkedin.com/in/terrence-sauve-4703"
                  moz-do-not-send="true">www.linkedin.com/in/terrence-sauve-4703</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"v","serif";color:#1F497D">Tél.
                (613) 679-4703</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                    lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"
                  lang="EN-US"> Paul Anderson [<a
                    href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu</a>]
                  <br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> December-19-17 4:04 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; Ronal
                  W. Larson<br>
                  <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:mhatech@yahoogroups.com"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">mhatech@yahoogroups.com</a>;
                  Sauve, Terrence (OMAFRA); Andrew Heggie; Law, Steven
                  (MOECC)<br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Top lit updraft
                  combustors</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Nolbert and all,<br>
            <br>
            I just want to thank you and the others for looking into the
            use of TLUD technology for masonary heaters.   Nice website
            for the MH Association  
            <a href="http://www.mha-net.org/" moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.mha-net.org/</a>     
            <br>
            <br>
            I would be delighted to work with you and the MHA in any
            ways that incorporate either TLUD stove technology or other
            methods (such as modified flame cap that is not yet being
            studied) that emphasize pyrolysis and therefore also have
            strong interest in the resultant charcoal.   Maybe there is
            or will be a small group of such enthusiasts.  If so, count
            me in.<br>
            <br>
            I live in Illinois, but that puts me into the North America
            focus of your group!!<br>
            <br>
            Paul<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <o:p></o:p></p>
          <pre>Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>Email:  <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
          <pre>Website:  <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" moz-do-not-send="true">www.drtlud.com</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 12/17/2017 7:38 AM, Norbert Senf
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Dec 16, 2017 at 10:12 PM,
                    Ronal W. Larson <<a
                      href="mailto:rongretlarson@comcast.net"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rongretlarson@comcast.net</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                  <div>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Norbert  cc Biochar list,
                        Andrew, MHA (Masonry Heating Association) list,
                        and Terrence and Steven<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">1. Hello to MHA and Terrence
                        and Steven - who I see are in Ontario Government
                        departments.  Feel free to jump in.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">2,  I am particularly
                        thinking of folks in Ontario modifying MHA
                        systems so they produce char (mostly to go in
                        the soil).  I believe MH users could find that
                        fuel costs could become negative.  (This idea
                        thanks to Andrew)   The fuel piles will have to
                        be larger or re-fired more often - but these
                        char-makers seem to be cleaner.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">I think it pretty unlikely to
                        get through US departments as rapidly as OMAFRA
                        and OMOECC, where Government official seem to
                        believe there is global warming.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">See few comments below - and
                        thanks for yours.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">(snip)<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b>[RWLC:   I think we are a
                          long way from having acceptance of a “
                          software simulator”.</b>
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>I would have guess that
                            most of your MH units are “one-off”.  They
                            can’t be tested in the field at low enough
                            cost?</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">In the masonry heater industry
                      we have a precedent from Austria. They have a
                      proprietary calculator, that is accepted for
                      certifying one-off heaters. The main nuts and
                      bolts behind the math is the European EN-13384
                      chimney calculation standard. You basically
                      calculate the friction (pressure) losses for
                      "worst case scenario" which is with a half load,
                      in the summer, and verify that the appliance will
                      draft properly. Damien Lehmann in France has
                      developed an open source version and we are trying
                      to extend it to include additional heater types
                      than only the Austrian style. Austrian heaters are
                      "channeled", where the pressure loss calculation
                      is based on the channel cross sections and length.
                      In North America we have started building for
                      example, a Russian system that is based on
                      buoyancy and has significantly less friction and
                      that the Austrian calculator can't handle.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b> How much change
                            in “fuel analysis” during a batch burn? 
                            Hadn’t heard of this.  but found several
                            papers related toMHA, such as</b><o:p></o:p></p>
                      </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="http://mha-net.org/docs/temp/2017-10-16%20Pemberton-Pigott%20-%20Decombustion%20Theory.pdf"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://mha-net.org/docs/temp/2017-10-16%20Pemberton-Pigott%20-%20Decombustion%20Theory.pdf</a>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Mt tentative conclusion
                            is that this is un-needed for TLUDs, but i
                            am surprised at the assumptions needed.  I
                            look forward to understanding this and
                            why measurements aren’t enough.</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">After
                      seeing Crispin's presentation on this at the Stove
                      Design Challenge event in 2014 at Brookhaven Lab
                      in NY, a team from the University of Buffalo did
                      some work with it on a cordwood boiler. They found
                      that with a batch burn of standardized briquettes
                      and a constant fuel composition assumption "...H2O
                      is underpredicted at early times and overpredicted
                      during the charcoal oxidation stage, resulting in
                      a mean error of approximately 64%". The good news
                      is that the two sort of cancel each other out. I
                      think the error in calculating overall efficiency
                      was somewhere in the 3% range.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-">For our
                        calculator effort, we need an accurate flue mass
                        flow rate and therefore need to measure H2O.
                        Therefore, Crispin's approach should tie in well
                        with this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                      <b>[RWLE:  I googled for Testo 330-2
                        and “inexpensive NDIR benches” (on behalf of
                        Andrew’s emphasis on this) and tentatively
                        concluded we can’t yet get equipment CO and
                        particulates in the range of $100.  (NDIR =
                        Non-dispersive infra-red)</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
                        class="gmail-">Yes, that would be a stretch. A
                        Testo is in the $2500 range. There is an
                        interesting NDIR bench on ebay for $26.00:</span><br>
                      <span class="gmail-"><a
href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/NDIR-Infrared-Carbon-Dioxide-CO2-Sensor-Module-MH-Z14A-Serial-Port-0-5000ppm/282697897512?epid=14007377319&hash=item41d21b9628:g:cZ4AAOSwjodZ5eRL"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.ebay.com/itm/NDIR-Infrared-Carbon-Dioxide-CO2-Sensor-Module-MH-Z14A-Serial-Port-0-5000ppm/282697897512?epid=14007377319&hash=item41d21b9628:g:cZ4AAOSwjodZ5eRL</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-">but it
                        only goes to 5000 ppm, likely for HVAC room
                        occupancy measurements. In principle, you would
                        only need to shorten the chamber in order to get
                        a higher range. At least that is what I have
                        seen on some older Horiba benches.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">CO is interesting to
                                watch, but we don't care that much about
                                it. It is not regulated in North
                                America, and is not a health issue
                                except in dense urban areas. When we
                                tested the Austrian eco-labelled air
                                system, PM dropped about 50% and CO
                                dropped about 80%. We were a lot more
                                excited about the PM drop, because this
                                is the number that matters here to
                                regulators. Europeans have told us that
                                the United States is about 10 years
                                ahead of Europe in air quality
                                regulation. Largely due to California,
                                in particular Los Angeles. The Europeans
                                are only just now recognizing the PM
                                problem in urban areas from diesel and
                                wood burning, and addressing this in
                                their regulations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>[RWLF:
                            Good.  Maybe that helps the garage testing
                          of TLUDs a bit.  If you ever hear of something
                          in the $100 range,  I believe a lot of people
                          on this list would be willing to add PM to
                          what they are already able to do  quite
                          cheaply to get weight,  temperatures, and
                          times for energy efficiency computations.</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Before my Testo arrived, I
                        was able to do some useful stuff by measuring
                        opacity. $1.00 CdS sensor, light source,
                        ohm-meter:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><a
href="http://www.mha-net.org/graphics2/17121701.JPG"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">www.mha-net.org/graphics2/17121701.JPG</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">It shows you where in your
                        cycle the PM is, but is hard to correlate with
                        the "EPA number"<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">-- <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">Norbert Senf<br>
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                    25 Brouse Road, RR 5<br>
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                    819.647.5092<br>
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                      moz-do-not-send="true">www.heatkit.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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