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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dear Ron,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><i>« </i></span><i>a.
What are some characteristics of the new test you propose to replace the WBT? »<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What do you mean by characteristics?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Possible replacements of the WBT are the CSI and HTP, protocols to
be found here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a
href="https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5rmmRmIsdlnQlRQX3A1cXVOQ3M?usp=sharing"><span
style='color:purple'>https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B5rmmRmIsdlnQlRQX3A1cXVOQ3M?usp=sharing</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I think the protocol documents are quite detailed. What is not
clear in the document, what clarifications would you like to have?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><i>« </i></span><i>b.
What happens to the Tier system that is now based on the WBT? »<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The Tier system is also put into question. I guess there will be
a need for a replacement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is one question: is a Tier system absolutely necessary?
Why do we need a Tier system for? Can we develop better stoves without it, or
not?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If it is indispensable, then the Tier system must mean
something, it must be reliable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><i>« </i></span><i>c.
Assuming that this comes up at the ETHOS meeting starting tomorrow - how would
you recommend GACC handling that vote, if there is one? »<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would recommend that the GACC discuss openly and transparently
this question, and that the participants give their opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I would recommend everyone to read the studies and the
alternative protocols, first. If no one knows what the problem is about, it is
difficult to talk about solutions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Then the participants could express what are their needs in
terms of testing, and what they think are their potential difficulties in
transitioning from the WBT to other lab protocols. As I said previously, I don’t
think there are many difficulties in making this transition.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And if some participants want to work towards the development of
new and better protocols, more adapted to their needs, then that should be
encouraged too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><i>« </i></span><i>d.
What is your response to an observation that this appears to be a reaction
against char-making stoves? »<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Who makes this observation? This call is not a reaction against
any technology. As far as I am concerned, I have nothing against char-making
stoves, much on the contrary. I think Moulindu Banerjee project in North-East
India is a formidable success story.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Char-making stoves will survive the end of the WBT. If there is
a need for a new ways/protocols to measure their benefits, then we should
foster such work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><br>
Xavier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Stoves
[mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>De la part de</b> Ronal W.
Larson<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 25 janvier 2018 22:59<br>
<b>À :</b> Discussion of biomass<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Stoves] A call to stop using the WBT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Xavier, list and ccs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>Four questions:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>a. What
are some characteristics of the new test you propose to replace the WBT? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>b. What
happens to the Tier system that is now based on the WBT?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>c. Assuming
that this comes up at the ETHOS meeting starting tomorrow - how would you
recommend GACC handling that vote, if there is one?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span> </span>d. What
is your response to an observation that this appears to be a reaction against
char-making stoves?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:24 AM, Xavier Brandao <<a
href="mailto:xav.brandao@gmail.com">xav.brandao@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dear Anh, dear Michael,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for your comments.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I feel that sentence in the call is not clear. Of course, we
are not talking about punishing those who are currently using the WBT in their
projects, nor taking away stoves that have been developed with WBT, and are or
have been disseminated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Funders have funded projects which testing protocol basis
was the WBT, stoves have been developed, fine. There are, still, despite the
WBT mess, good stoves and good projects that were developed. Certainly, as we
discussed previously, a lot of potential has been wasted because of unreliable
results. But past is past.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Now, funders and donors are preparing new grants and
programmes. Today, there is no excuse that a project or programme success
depends upon a testing protocol that was at multiple times demonstrated
erroneous and unreliable. This shouldn't happen anymore.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>We cannot fund projects anymore based on a protocol which
is, literally, a roll of the dice.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Does that sound reasonable to you? If not, why?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks again,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Xavier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 25 January 2018 at 09:25, Michael N Trevor <<a
href="mailto:mntrevor@gmail.com" target="_blank">mntrevor@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>In the middle of the Pacific
with what are they going to do come take away my stoves?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt'>I dare you to try it---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 8:07 PM, Anh Nguyen <<a
href="mailto:ntanh72@gmail.com" target="_blank">ntanh72@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span
class=m3181277400843652485m-6586048575355672055gmail-fontstyle0>You said in
your call "</span><span
class=m3181277400843652485m-6586048575355672055gmail-fontstyle2>as well as stop
funding or supporting projects, programmes and companies who use the
WBT". S</span>o in your view, everyone who use WBT should be punished
regardless of what good they are doing for the world? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sorry, I can not and will not support such call.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Tom Miles <<a
href="mailto:tmiles@trmiles.com" target="_blank">tmiles@trmiles.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US>Dear everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US>I would like to share with you this call, which is the continuation
of the initiative that was addressed to the GACC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US>So a few of us have decided to make a call to the stakeholders of
the stove sector, to stop using the WBT, and to use and develop scientifically
valid protocols instead.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US>Please find the documents of the call attached.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
lang=EN-US>Please find below the list of the call signees:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Adam Creighton, Independent
consultant<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Ashiq Ahamed, Senior Project
Manager, TIDE<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Camilla Fulland, Senior Adviser
and former CEO of Prime Stoves, Norad<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Cecil Cook, Independent expert,
Stove anthropologist<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Crispin Pemberton-Piggott,
Adjunct Professor, China Agricultural University<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Harold Annegarn, South Africa
Adjunct Professor, North West University<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Jan-Carel Diehl, Assistant
Professor - Design for Sustainability, Delft University<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Jiddu Broersma, Technology
Officer, Prakti<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Jorund Buen, CEO, Prime Stoves<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Miel Alanna, Independent
consultant<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Mouhsine Serrar, CEO, Prakti<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Nikhil Desai, Independant expert<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Nithya Ramanathan, CEO, NexLeaf<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Partha Talukder, Business
Manager, Prakti<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Paul Medwell, Associate
Professor, University of Adelaide<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Peter Scott, CEO, Burn
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Robert J van der Plas,
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Sujatha Srinivasan, Director,
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mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Todd Albi, General Manager,
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mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Vahid Jahangiri, Deputy
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<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Wouter Kersten, Co-ordinator
Context Variation by Design<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><span lang=EN-US>Xavier Brandao, Independent<o:p></o:p></span></li>
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lang=EN-US> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang=EN-US>If you believe this is important, join us! And contribute to a much
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