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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Philip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I don’t know why people are so upset about the char. If there is char produced, it can be weighed. The portion that is weighted is up to the practitioner. Obviously not all char
can be ‘recovered’ so one has to have a purpose in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If the point is to create “fuel” then the only portion to be recovered is “fuel-sized”. So, recover it, report it as a fraction of the dry mass of fuel that entered the stove.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If one is concerned about the energy in the char, then one has to consider should it be for the total char? Or the recovered char? They will give very different energy content answers.
It will require a bomb calorimeter to determine the energy in the total char. Who is going to do
<i>that</i> for each test? And in any case what is the point?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">One doesn’t make measurements without a definite purpose in mind. So what is the function of the measurement? Determining the heat transfer efficiency is one reason to consider char
energy, and to do that there has to be a bomb calorimeter involved. Gas measurements (CO, CH4, H2S) are also needed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Why would someone want to know the heat transfer efficiency? It is an internal measurement of interest to designers. It can’t be used for rating anything. The heat transfer efficiency
is irrelevant to the fuel performance for solid fuel burning appliances. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is unfortunate that the WBT and its strange calculations has gained such a grip on the minds of the casual stove appraiser. I doubt even a few of them have looked into what is
actually being reported for the metrics. If they did, they would challenge the names of those metrics and the underlying mathematics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Xavier is doing exactly that.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The metrics for char are best expressed in terms of the raw fuel that went into producing it. The only fly in the ointment is the crazy desire to claim that a stove that uses 3 kg
of fuel to cook and produce char somehow needs less than 3 kg. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">None of this addresses the documented failures of the WBT. However, it is true other protocols do not consider charcoal. WG2 was supposed to develop measures of "usable char" and failed to do so. Instead it assumes all char is usable, which
is misleading. Philip<br>
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Subject: Re: [Stoves] A call to stop using the WBT<br>
From: "Ronal W. Larson" <br>
To: Discussion of biomass ,Xavier Brandao <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">List and Xavier:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Jan 25, 2018, at 3:37 PM, Xavier Brandao <<a href="mailto:xav.brandao@gmail.com">xav.brandao@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dear Ron,</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL1: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">By “characteristics” I mean a serious difference in the test procedure from what is now going through (with strong support) the ISO process. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All the protocols mentioned below already do boil water. What many protocols that you laud don’t do is make any attempt to even measure char produced. It is ludicrous to tell a stove producer who is marketing a
char-making stove (which happens also to be cleaner and more efficient even ignoring char - with high Tier rating in all categories) that you’re sorry - but the approved stove protocol for that country says you must ignore all char when you calculate a Tier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Possible replacements of the WBT are the CSI and HTP, protocols to be found here:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[<b>RWL2: I don’t believe that either the CSI or HTP approaches (both from South Africa) says anything about measuring (and accounting for) charcoal production at this above site. I found one reference to the fact
that charcoal should be treated as unusable. I also found evidence that Crispin made a change (or a recommendation) involving charcoal in 2013 - but the documentation you suggest his so inferior to that I have seen from WG2 that it is pathetic. </b><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So as near as I can tell, char production is not considered in either the CSI or HTP methodologies; if so, can you give a specific reference (page and line).</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">For sure the Chinese and Indian test methods do not.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I think the protocol documents are quite detailed. What is not clear in the document, what clarifications would you like to have?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL3: They are in WG2 outputs - much less in everything else I have seen.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <b>I want a clarification on how charcoal is to be handled in your preferred test methodology.
Especially as it relates to Tiers.</b><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">The Tier system is also put into question. I guess there will be a need for a replacement.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL4 Remember the Tier approach was unanimously (I think) recommended at the Lima meeting. What do you (or anyone) find fault with about Tiers? You are proposing to drop a main reason there is an ISO process
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">There is one question: is a Tier system absolutely necessary?
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL5: Clearly “No" - not absolutely necessary. But very helpful to achieving better stoves - I think the answer is a clear yes. And your answer to this question is what?</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Why do we need a Tier system for?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL6: To achieve better stoves. (I’d go further and say so stoves can help take carbon out of the atmosphere. Not agreed to by some on your list.)</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Can we develop better stoves without it, or not?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL7: I think the evidence is strong that Tiers are helpful. Kirk Harris says they are. This is a very complicated topic and we need a shorthand.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Groups who want to and can buy stoves - are using the tiers. Tiers are easy to understand.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">If it is indispensable, then the Tier system must mean something, it must be reliable.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL8: The vast majority of the experts working in WG2 of the ISO285 process are telling us that it is reliable. </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">You are not giving any rationale for dropping them - but it seems clear you are opposed to them.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL9: Good - agreed. I hope this comes up for serious discussion at ETHOS and someone can report back on the discussion (and any “vote” if there is one). I am claiming here that you have enrolled a very small
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL10: I would urge that GACC make no moves of any kind until they and we can see what WG2 has come up with - and the objections that remain. I am sure there will be some who disparage the “denominator equation”:
e3 = e1/(1-e2) = 1/(1+i/e1) have not understood why it is imperative to use it (and especially to get Tiers). </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I have put a fair amount of time into this - and willingly admit I have no idea “what the problem is about”. It IS very clear that some think the “denominator equation” is dead wrong - and there are some
who can’t stand Tiers.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Then the participants could express what are their needs in terms of testing,—-</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL11: The needs seem clear to me - to compare stoves - so as to effectuate improvement. (and the WBT and Tiers have been successful in that.)</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">and what they think are their potential difficulties in transitioning from the WBT to other lab protocols.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL12: Again - no new method has been proposed that I know of. Years have been spent in a horribly tedious process dictated by ISO rules. So without something specific to consider, in the presence of strong
support for the WG2 output - it seems clear to me that there are huge “<i>potential difficulties in transitioning”</i>. Time is wasting - and we don’t have time</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL13: And you also said you have not been involved in the (I think) successful WG2 effort.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">And if some participants want to work towards the development of new and better protocols, more adapted to their needs, then that should be encouraged too.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL14: Absolutely - and ISO processes say how that can be done. But it makes zero sense to stop when you are almost done (on the key - WG2 - portion), with something that has received wide approval. I repeat,
your group, from my knowledge (mostly at ETHOS meetings and stove camps, but also as the first coordinator of this list), is in a small minority.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><br>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL15: For one - me. I see no-one promoting char-making stoves on your list.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">This call is not a reaction against any technology. As far as I am concerned, I have nothing against char-making stoves, much on the contrary. I think Moulindu Banerjee project in North-East
India is a formidable success story.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL16: Sure, but you are calling to restart a 5 year process. We don’t have time for such non-sense.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">[RWL17: That is already embedded in what you are calling to start over. A huge amount of work has gone into the WG2 report that we will soon see. I see very good work coming along from the other groups as well
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Stoves [<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"><span style="color:purple">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>De
la part de</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Ronal W. Larson<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>jeudi 25 janvier 2018 22:59<br>
<b>À :</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Discussion of biomass<br>
<b>Objet :</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Stoves] A call to stop using the WBT</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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What are some characteristics of the new test you propose to replace the WBT? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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What happens to the Tier system that is now based on the WBT?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Assuming that this comes up at the ETHOS meeting starting tomorrow - how would you recommend GACC handling that vote, if there is one?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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What is your response to an observation that this appears to be a reaction against char-making stoves?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Jan 25, 2018, at 8:24 AM, Xavier Brandao <<a href="mailto:xav.brandao@gmail.com"><span style="color:purple">xav.brandao@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I feel that sentence in the call is not clear. Of course, we are not talking about punishing those who are currently using the WBT in their projects, nor taking away stoves
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Funders have funded projects which testing protocol basis was the WBT, stoves have been developed, fine. There are, still, despite the WBT mess, good stoves and good projects
that were developed. Certainly, as we discussed previously, a lot of potential has been wasted because of unreliable results. But past is past.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Now, funders and donors are preparing new grants and programmes. Today, there is no excuse that a project or programme success depends upon a testing protocol that was at
multiple times demonstrated erroneous and unreliable. This shouldn't happen anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">We cannot fund projects anymore based on a protocol which is, literally, a roll of the dice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On 25 January 2018 at 09:25, Michael N Trevor <<a href="mailto:mntrevor@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mntrevor@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 8:07 PM, Anh Nguyen <<a href="mailto:ntanh72@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">ntanh72@gmail.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m3181277400843652485m-6586048575355672055gmail-fontstyle0"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">You said in your call "</span></span><span class="m3181277400843652485m-6586048575355672055gmail-fontstyle2"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">as
well as stop funding or supporting projects, programmes and companies who use the WBT". S</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">o in your view, everyone who use WBT should be punished regardless of what good they are
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