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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Teddy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What, in your opinion, is the appropriate set of metrics to report the inputs and outputs of such a process?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Miles<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 26-Jan-18 12:42<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Charcoal ban is it the charcoal---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Interesting. It shows what you can do as an entrepreneur. They learned from an expert!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Tom<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Stoves [<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cookswell Jikos<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 25, 2018 8:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Charcoal ban is it the charcoal---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Funny enough - we once showed this company, Ecofuels Kenya, how to make wood vinegar (condensed smoke from the charcoal making process) and they have certainly taken it to the next level -
<a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aiche.org%2Fconferences%2Faiche-annual-meeting%2F2017%2Fproceeding%2Fpaper%2Fsustainable-approach-green-pesticide-production-kenya-croton-megalocarpus-trees&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca673f4b2da804d91129a08d5647791e5%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636525387064184935&sdata=ByEczjCTqCcsGCv78gmMRvFov1%2FFjrqdQREKAu5h%2FO0%3D&reserved=0">
https://www.aiche.org/conferences/aiche-annual-meeting/2017/proceeding/paper/sustainable-approach-green-pesticide-production-kenya-croton-megalocarpus-trees</a> as they now are the lead supplier of this stuff in East African horticulture industry and make hundreds
of liters a month. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">They have shown that in certain cases, the smoke can be worth up to 15 times the price of the charcoal that it was made from. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:36 PM, Andrew Heggie <<a href="mailto:aj.heggie@gmail.com" target="_blank">aj.heggie@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">On 25 January 2018 at 06:19, Michael N Trevor <<a href="mailto:mntrevor@gmail.com">mntrevor@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Isn't the issue is how it is made. dirty polluting deforestation.<br>
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Michael I don't know the reason but Teddy's photos demonstrate lots of<br>
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> Change that and you have a sustainable renewable biofuel for cooking and<br>
> syngas.<br>
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I agree the big drawback in traditional charcoal making is waste and<br>
pollution and making something from the "stranded" offgas is a worthy<br>
goal but making syngas is a long way from this. Syngas (CO+H2) would<br>
need to be made at much higher temperatures than are achieved in<br>
traditional kilns which is why the offgas is a cloudy sol containing<br>
Products of Incomplete Combustion as well as tarry droplets condensed<br>
from vapour, steam, water droplets. methane and longer chain organic<br>
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