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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ron,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Remarkable how you always deliberately ignore the many questions
I am asking you. As well as the answers I’m giving you. I already told you my
opinion on all these matters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>But you pretend not to have read, only to ask again later on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Fine, I can repeat 1000 times if needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>«All the protocols mentioned below already do boil
water. »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Unbelievable. They don’t boil water, they heat water. This is
what I told you already the 02/09/2017:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i>« </i><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The water is not boiled, since it has been proved it was rendering
the test results false. The water is the medium used to measure heat
transferred to the pot.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It is not about performing a cooking task (boiling water),
falsely considered universal, and comparing (or being in fact unable to
compare) how stoves fare doing that task. It is about understanding the power
delivered by the stove.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Please read the February paper from Lombardi and al. which
explains well how different the protocols are.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It also tells why the HTP and WHT are vastly superior to the
WBT.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The CSI is even better, because of the added element of
contextuality. »<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And Crispin replied to you on that as well, possibly several
times.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« What many protocols that you laud don’t do is
make any attempt to even measure char produced. It is ludicrous to tell a
stove producer who is marketing a char-making stove (which happens also to be
cleaner and more efficient even ignoring char - with high Tier rating in all
categories) that you’re sorry - but the approved stove protocol for that
country says you must ignore all char when you calculate a Tier. »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The CSI actually measures the remaining fuel. Here is what the
protocol says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>« The energy consumption
rating, whether expressed in M] or in an equivalent mass of raw fuel, is based
on the need to draw new raw fuel for the replication of the standard task from
the available resource, when possible reusing leftover fuel from a previous
replication. It is expressed as the number of MegaJoules theoretically
available from the fuel consumed, as received (AR). This approach is taken to
avoid using a mass of fuel consumed as a metric. Each time a test is repeated,
usable fuel leftover from a previous test will be included, if the stove can
burn it. If not, 'fuel consumed’ will be the net energy equivalent all new raw
fuel entering the stove per burn cycle. »<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>« Emissions of
pollutants are reported from ignition of the fire until the completion of the
task including any following burnout phase if that is the local practice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-align:justify'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If the local practice is to
leave the fuel remaining in the fire after cooking to burn out (often applied
to tasks such as drying fuel for the next day or drying clothes), all resulting
emissions ofthat phase are included in the total emissions. This is the case
even if no cooking is done at the very beginning or at the very end because
those emissions may create exposure for the family. The Technical Test burn
cycle will include this because it is tuned for cultural relevance. »<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><o:p> </o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Now, if this is not enough, there are other ways to calculate
and display the benefits of charcoal leftover by a charcoal-making stove. Show
how the beneficiaries can get income from the charcoal saved. Anything but an
incorrect efficiency or fuel saving number. Crispin gave you a method. It is
not difficult, and there are ways to valorize the charcoal saved, and use it as
a sales point to get funding or to get clients.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>« </span></i><b><i>[RWL4 Remember the Tier approach
was unanimously (I think) recommended at the Lima meeting. » </i></b><i><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Which also recommended the WBT, and was ages ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Funny how you always go as far back as the Lima « consensus »
from 2011.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That’s what I told you in my email of the 15/12/2017:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i>« Ron, I hope, I really hope you are not talking
about the Lima consensus, and the signing of the IWA, because I was at the
latter, and we all agree it was forced-fed to us.<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i>We were pressed during the whole workshop to adopt a
text, even imperfect, so we could correct it later on. We were pressed to sign,
because it was said it was be the only way forward. »</i><i><o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Crispin just replied to you:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span lang=EN-US>“People sometimes hold their nose and
abstain from voting. Sometimes they vote yes to end the pain of participation.
Sometimes they vote yes because the package is tolerable or misunderstood.
Sometimes things are put in over the objections of 90% of the experts. Surely
you are aware of that.”</span></i><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>A lot of things have happened since 2011.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><o:p> </o:p></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« What do you (or anyone) find fault with about Tiers? »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Me, nothing. I told you already about one year ago, the
16/02/2017:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i>« No. It is practical to have tiers, a bit like
energy ratings for refrigerators or light bulbs.<br>
I am opposed to that if it is scientifically invalid, like it seems to be. »<o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><o:p> </o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« But very helpful to achieving better stoves - I
think the answer is a clear yes. And your answer to this question is
what? »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>See above.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« I think the evidence is strong that Tiers are
helpful. Kirk Harris says they are. This is a very complicated
topic and we need a shorthand. »</i></b><i><o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Where is the evidence showing the Tiers are helpful?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Again, I prefer to repeat in case you fail to understand, I have
no opinion on Tiers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><b><i>« </i></b></span><b><i>You
are not giving any rationale for dropping them - but it seems clear you are
opposed to them. »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nope, I’m not giving any. I think Crispin is, but I’m not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I am not opposed to Tiers, I am not for it either. I am opposed
to the WBT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« The vast majority of the experts working in WG2
of the ISO285 process are telling us that it is reliable. »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Where are the proofs it is reliable? Where is the scientific demonstration?
Where are the peer reviewed articles?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« I hope this comes up for serious discussion at
ETHOS and someone can report back on the discussion (and any “vote” if there is
one). »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I hope too. I hope it is held and reported transparently, that
people speak freely their mind. I hope it is recorded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« I am claiming here that you have enrolled a
very small subset of test experts. I am predicting an overwhelming
favorable discussion - and that GACC should heed that discussion. »</i></b><i><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There’s no harm in claiming. Let’s see what subset you are able
to come up with. Don’t forget to write down the names.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Test experts are good, but I’d rather enroll stove practitioners
and manufacturers, the ones who have been selling stoves outside of the U.S.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>So, I ask you one more time to find me the same number of people
who are willing to risk their academic credibility by saying that the WBT is
reliable and that it should be used.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What may give you the impression that there are a vast majority
of WBT supporters, is that the past WBT promoters do not want to admit they
were wrong all this time. There is a vast embarrassed silence you might interpret
as support for the WBT. But no one will ever bet a penny on the WBT. It’s not
worth a rat’s ass.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« I would urge that GACC make no moves of any
kind until they and we can see what WG2 has come up with - and the objections
that remain. »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I like the expression « I urge to make no move ».<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Sure, let’s advocate for red tape and status quo. Immobilism. Anything
but critical thinking. Remember that we launched the initiative addressed to
the GACC one year ago. We have been told to wait. The GACC sure did deliver on
waiting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The water of the well is toxic, it has been proven by studies,
and you are asking us to keep drinking it while the Supreme Court is (maybe) resolving
the environmental issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« I have put a fair amount of time into this
- and willingly admit I have no idea “what the problem is about”. »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Then I cannot help you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i>« <b>Time is wasting - and we don’t have time »</b></i><i><o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Such wise words. See, we really agree on something here Ron, for
once.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Wait, wait … Weren’t you asking just above to wait for the WG2
outputs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><i>« </i></span><b><i>[RWL13:
And you also said you have not been involved in the (I think) successful
WG2 effort. »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Nope, I haven’t had the privilege.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« But it makes zero sense to stop when you are
almost done (on the key - WG2 - portion) »</i></b><i><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I never said anything about stopping the TC 285 work. It can go
on for 90 more years, if this is what some people want. I do not expect
anything from the TC 285, I want us to act and take decisions on testing
protocols now. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>« I repeat, your group, from my knowledge (mostly at ETHOS
meetings and stove camps, but also as the first coordinator of this list), is
in a small minority. »</span></i></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>
Then maybe you should go out of Oregon once in a while.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><i>« </i></span><b><i>[RWL15:
For one - me. I see no-one promoting char-making stoves on your
list. »</i></b><i><o:p></o:p></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Go ahead and ask the signees if they have anything against any
technology.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-tab-span><i>« </i></span><b><i>[RWL16:
Sure, but you are calling to restart a 5 year process. We don’t
have time for such non-sense. »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i>« That is already embedded in what you are
calling to start over. »<o:p></o:p></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>You have beaten your own olympic record in intellectual
dishonesty. Congratulations, because it was not an easy task.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Since January 2017, I told exactly that Ron, many times, and you
know it very well:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>We have to stop using the WBT – NOW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>We have to use the long-time existing, immediately available,
easy to use alternative protocols – NOW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>If someone thinks the WBT is reliable and should be used, he/she
should speak and present arguments – NOW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>If someone thinks transitioning to alternative protocols is
difficult, he/should should say so, and why - NOW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>If someone thinks other alternative protocols should be developed,
he/she should say so, and why, and we should start working on it - NOW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Clear?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Ron, I understood very well what you have been saying so far.
You don’t care much about the scientific validity of a protocol, nor its
reliability, as long as it presents your stoves in a positive light.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Then I have great news from you, you probably heard about my new
protocol, the Dice Roll Test (DRT). You can get your stoves on Tiers as well.
You should really try it. Good news, it is simple to use, and it is available
to you right now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I also have another one which involves throwing darts. You’ll
love it. You’ll get high rankings for your stoves, guaranteed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Xavier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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