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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>The science reported is sound – it summarizes the effects of extra CO2 on hundreds of species, doing nothing more than quoting published studies. The Nature article is a common-or-garden hatchet job worrying about the editorial material in CO2 science.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Prof Philip Lloyd<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Energy Institute, CPUT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>PO Box 1906<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Bellville 7535<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Tel 021 959 4323<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cell 083 441 5247<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>PA Nadia 021 959 4330<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gordon West<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 28, 2018 2:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] Interesting Video<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>CO2 Science is a very controversial source for CO2 science.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2008/08/more_for_the_annals_of_climate_1.html">http://blogs.nature.com/climatefeedback/2008/08/more_for_the_annals_of_climate_1.html</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Gordon <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mar 28, 2018, at 6:31 AM, Philip Lloyd <<a href="mailto:plloyd@mweb.co.za">plloyd@mweb.co.za</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Many of the questions are answered in CO2 Science,<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><a href="http://www.co2science.org/"><span style='color:purple'>http://www.co2science.org/</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Prof Philip Lloyd</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Energy Institute, CPUT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>PO Box 1906</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Bellville 7535</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Tel 021 959 4323</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Cell 083 441 5247</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-ZA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>PA Nadia 021 959 4330</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Stoves [<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org"><span style='color:purple'>mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=apple-converted-space> </span></b>Andrew Heggie<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:07 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><span style='color:purple'>stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Re: [Stoves] Interesting Video</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 27 March 2018 at 17:25, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" target="_blank"><span style='color:purple'>crispinpigott@outlook.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=gmail-m914661022224452647msoplaintext><span lang=EN-CA>Dear Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m914661022224452647msoplaintext><span lang=EN-CA> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=gmail-m914661022224452647msoplaintext><span lang=EN-CA>I don't want to spend as much time on the reply as you did.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>And you didn't you simply cut and pasted some unattributed graphs out of their original context and a cite from an article about CO2 enrichment in enclosed systems which are not the real world, neither is the idea of shading the area growing staple crops in the tropics, it's done here in UK but only on luxury crops.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I too would ask people to read up about the effects of increased CO2 levels but take it off this list.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>As a start people may like to muse on this quote “The problem with [the skeptics’] argument is that it’s as if you can cherry-pick the CO<sub>2</sub><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>fertilization effect from the overall effect of adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere,” Myers says. But that is not how the world—or its climate—works. fromhttps://<a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/"><span style='color:purple'>www.scientificamerican.com/article/ask-the-experts-does-rising-co2-benefit-plants1/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Andrew<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>_______________________________________________<br>Stoves mailing list<br><br>to Send a Message to the list, use the email address<br></span><a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:purple'>stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br><br>to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page<br></span><a href="http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:purple'>http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org</span></a><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><br><br>for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:<br></span><a href="http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:purple'>http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>