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<p class=MsoNormal>Crispin, Nikhil,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>The important question: is it likely that air pollution
kills, or shortens lives if you prefer, of people living in cities?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I don’t know if the debate over the terms
« killing » or « shortening life » is very relevant.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>When someone shoots a 80-year old man, who was maybe meant
to live until 81 years old only, you could say the shooter is not a killer, merely
a life-shortener. If the shooter shoots a 12-month-old baby who was meant to
live 81 years old, you could also say he shortened the baby’s life by 80 years.
The baby was meant to die one day anyways.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Should the shooter of the old man only get a small prison
sentence? After all, he only took 1 year from the old man’s life, maybe he only
took 6 months or 2 months.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Let’s admit that yes, life is dangerous and full of
uncertainties, and many factors have an impact on human’s health. But let’s
admit we would rather limitate the impact air pollution has on human health. How
likely is it that indoor air pollution has a large contribution to human
deaths? Outdoor air pollution?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>De :</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Stoves
[mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>De la part de</b> Anand
Karve<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> samedi 5 mai 2018 05:13<br>
<b>À :</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Stoves] Air pollution kills<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Except for the monsoon season, India is a very dusty place
and it is the dust in the air that gets measured as suspended particulate
matter. Smoke from the kitchen or from car exhaust is not always its
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 04-May-2018 19:49, "Nikhil Desai" <<a
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There is more to WHO claims. Another story from yesterday, where WHO DG
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<span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:black;background:white'>“Air
pollution threatens us all, but the poorest and most marginalised people bear
the brunt of the burden. It is unacceptable that over 3 billion people — most
of them women and children — are still breathing deadly smoke every day from
using polluting stoves and fuels in their homes,” said Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus,
Director General of WHO.</span> "<br>
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color:black;background:white;font-weight:normal'>14 cities with worst air
pollution are in India: WHO , 02 May 2018 </span><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-weight:normal'><a
href="https://www.domain-b.com/environment/20180502_air_pollution.html"
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<p class=MsoNormal>I agree with him. But urge WHO to keep its nose out of where
it does not belong. <br>
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Holy cows need to be branded and taken to the slaughterhouse. <br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Nikhil Desai <<a
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This is hyperbole, deceit, nonsense. <br>
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Instead of "attribution", they claim "contribute", implying
non-existent causal pathway. <br>
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Just remember and recite with Kirk Smith - attribution is not causality and
attributability is not avoidability. In short, ANCANA. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>You say, "Basically, nobody is safe." <br>
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Of course, nobody is safe from death. Which cause, whether known and identified
as such is one question. (Never sure about this; read WHO reports on causes of
death and data on death.) <br>
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NOBODY NEEDS TO PLEASE WHO. WHO IS WHO? These are public health charlatans
promoting hysteria and careers. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Now, if you really need to know when air pollution kills,
here is today's story. (In childhood, we had a tale about a blind king in a
city of blinds or blindness. He ordered the whole city to be paved with stone
and leather so there would be no dust.) <br>
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Keep in mind - there is no basis for PM2.5 hourly average emission rate targets
in the ISO exercise. Leave aside fuel or stove type or whatever. <br>
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<a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43987209" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43987209</a><br>
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<h1 style='margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;background:white;vertical-align:
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>(US +1) 202 568
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Paul Anderson <<a
href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>
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I just thought you might find this interesting. '<br>
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This came from the issue on <span
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2 May 2018 of:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<h2><a
href="https://nature.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c6057c528fdc6f73fa196d9d&id=fed70f971c&e=562108ab5a"
target="_blank">Air pollution kills 7 million people a year</a><o:p></o:p></h2>
<p>About <a
href="https://nature.us17.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2c6057c528fdc6f73fa196d9d&id=e7570b0287&e=562108ab5a"
target="_blank">90% of the world’s population is exposed to dangerously high
levels of air pollution</a>, says the World Health Organization. Toxic air
leads to the early death of an estimated 7 million people every year, including
an estimated 3.8 million deaths from indoor cooking with polluting fuels. More
than 90% of air pollution-related deaths occur in low- and middle-income
countries, but even in high-income European cities, air pollution is knocking
2–24 months off people’s lives. <o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.5pt'><a
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<p class=MsoNormal>40% of the world population cook with solid
fuels. So 60% do not. Of that 60%, 50% (50% of
60% is 83%) ALSO are exposed by dangerously high levels of air
pollution. <br>
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Basically, nobody is safe.<br>
<br>
So why push for LPG for the poorest 40% when even that is not going to do much
good for them???? Or is that mainly a promotion effort by LPG
business? <br>
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So it seems like there is no chance of pleasing the WHO. 7 million
deaths per year from air pollution. <br>
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************<br>
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I will keep pushing for cleaner cookstoves, espacially the micro-gasifier TLUD
type. <br>
<span style='color:#888888'><br>
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<span class=m1427370255489925728m-6954213936357860605hoenzb>Paul</span><br>
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<pre><span style='color:#888888'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span
style='color:#888888'>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
style='color:#888888'>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu"
target="_blank">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
style='color:#888888'>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span
style='color:#888888'>Website: <a href="http://www.drtlud.com" target="_blank">www.drtlud.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre></div>
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