<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Crispin and list:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Below you say: "<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><i class="">The WBT is dead."</i></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><i class=""><br class=""></i></span></div><div class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="font-style: italic; white-space: pre;"> </span>But at </span><a href="https://www.iso.org/standard/66519.html" class="">https://www.iso.org/standard/66519.html</a>, the first line seems to say the opposite: <i style="orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><font color="#333333" face="MetaWebPro, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif" size="3" class="">"This document is applicable to cookstoves used primarily for cooking or <u class=""><b class="">water heating</b></u> ……."</font></i></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: MetaWebPro, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: MetaWebPro, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre;"> </span>This document and methodology is important to those of us on this list interested in char-making stoves, as the oft-discussed "denominator" equation using the form A/(B-C) I believe to also be endorsed in this document. As near as I can tell, this strongly country-endorsed document says that the WBT is alive and well - as is the above equation.</span></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: MetaWebPro, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: MetaWebPro, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I have only been peripherally involved with this standard, so I hope this list can discuss this document, the WBT, and char-making contributions to the efficiency and other lab-derived values needed to keep stove improvement efforts on-going.</span></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: MetaWebPro, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: MetaWebPro, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Thanks to Ranyee (team leader) and the many dozens of experts who have worked for years in coming to a consensus view on how best to lab-test "simple" cook-stoves. I have skimmed the report - and believe this is a first-rate document.</span></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: MetaWebPro, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div class=""><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: MetaWebPro, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-variant-ligatures: normal; orphans: 2; widows: 2; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Ron</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 24, 2018, at 10:34 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" class="">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="">Dear Nikhil<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">I seems the core message got through – without considering the context, the worth of a stove test is questionable for regulatory purposes.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Where the evaluation is directly relevant to the expected patterns of use, the assessment has value to a regulator.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">The question of context is even more critical for program managers and policy makers because they are invariably focused on specific cohorts of users experiencing local conditions.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">The next challenge is to see if the test method can produce replicable results, first within one laboratory and then between them. As the test method is not testing apparatus-agnostic, the effort to adapt the Standard to a national one will in many cases require adapting the text to suit existing and broadly accepted, but significantly different practice. Reputations are earned, not given, so let’s have a go at the test and see what we get.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">The WBT is dead. Long live something else.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Regards<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-US" class="">Crispin<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I can remember the joy when my writing was first published. <br class=""><br class="">Whether or not it did any good to anybody, the feeling is relief, excitement, bubbling head.<br class=""><br class="">"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">A key learning was the need to better reflect local context and practices, and the newly published document allows for customization in reporting, while still maintaining harmonization in testing to compare products.</span> "<br class=""><br class="">I wonder if experts are finally woke. <br class=""><br class="">Mucho moolahs dangling on the trees. <br class=""><br class="">Nikhil<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcleancookstoves.org%2Fabout%2Fnews%2F06-21-2018-first-ever-international-standard-for-laboratory-testing-of-cookstoves-published.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243590369&sdata=oVNJ4K%2FYFnDbW3oUmR%2BdpW503Vq3j2a9JsvKgmRtV2E%3D&reserved=0" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://cleancookstoves.org/about/news/06-21-2018-first-ever-international-standard-for-laboratory-testing-of-cookstoves-published.html</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 7.5pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) has published the first international <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F66519.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243590369&sdata=%2B6kId61zQbh7eWgMLitGvg%2B29paLsRwYx3QGA81gjoQ%3D&reserved=0" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: rgb(38, 125, 132); text-decoration: none;" class="">standard for laboratory testing</span></b></a> of cookstoves. Developed and approved by international experts from 45 countries, the new standard includes protocols to test and report the emissions, efficiency, safety and durability of cookstoves in a lab setting.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 7.5pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">"Standards play a critical role in virtually every industry, delivering transformative impact on safety and performance," said Sally Seitz, co-Secretariat of ISO Technical Committee 285 (ISO TC 285) and senior program manager at the American National Standards Institute. "With the publication of this standard, the clean cooking sector is poised to make significant strides toward better products and ultimately, toward improved outcomes for consumers who use them.”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 7.5pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">The standard, which replaces an ISO International Workshop Agreement from 2012, is expected to serve as the basis for national policies and programs on cookstoves, while also incentivizing manufacturers and developers to improve stove quality and performance. An accompanying ISO <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F73935.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=ipKO8%2Bf%2BpXMDE1V8RRBRdEnGYY4nh20%2BjbV%2FbwB0wAI%3D&reserved=0" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: rgb(38, 125, 132); text-decoration: none;" class="">technical report</span></b></a> that benchmarks performance to voluntary performance targets, or tiers, and provides guidance on how to understand and interpret lab test results was also approved by member countries of the ISO Committee and will soon be published.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 7.5pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">Development of the standard, which was supported by the Alliance, was informed by learnings about the advantages and limitations of previous protocols, as well as the latest sector research. A key learning was the need to better reflect local context and practices, and the newly published document allows for customization in reporting, while still maintaining harmonization in testing to compare products.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 7.5pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">“The cooperation and dedication of experts from around the world has yielded the standard,” said Richard Ebong, convener of the ISO TC 285 lab testing working group and manager of legal metrology at the Ugandan National Bureau of Standards. “The responsibility is now with national standards organizations and other stakeholders to carry this forward in our countries. I shall do all that's within my powers to promote the standard.”<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 7.5pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">This voluntary document provides a framework for organizations, countries and regions to adapt and implement the protocols, metrics, and targets based on their priorities over the coming months and years. ISO standards are reviewed and updated regularly, so these standards can be updated based on future research and on the progress in the cookstove and fuel market.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 7.5pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">ISO TC 285 also published a <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fobp%2Fui%2F%23iso%3Astd%3Aiso%3Atr%3A21276%3Aed-1%3Av1%3Aen&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=mwObQH%2BZnS%2FSB3NgAy%2B9Ml38L%2FaeIdLvBp69%2F%2F20Mno%3D&reserved=0" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: rgb(38, 125, 132); text-decoration: none;" class="">technical report</span></b></a> in May that provides harmonized definitions to key terms and concepts used within the sector. In addition, the ISO TC 285 has also been developing guidance on field testing, and it is currently open for ballot at the draft international standard phase. If approved, it is expected to reach the final phase of development in late 2018 or early 2019.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 7.5pt; margin-left: 0cm; background-color: white; box-sizing: border-box; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11.5pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(97, 97, 97);" class="">For additional information about the lab standard and voluntary performance targets technical report, and how they might impact your organization and work, please review <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcleancookstoves.org%2Fresources%2F556.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=ePa4v3Scu0JQDoM%2FZvh2BJpjZlblm4cuElhYnb1FIfQ%3D&reserved=0" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><b class=""><span style="color: rgb(38, 125, 132); text-decoration: none;" class="">FAQs here</span></b></a>.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br clear="all" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: Georgia, serif;" class="">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br class="">Nikhil Desai</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; 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