<div dir="ltr">Crispin:<br><br>I meant it is time for EPA/WHO/UNF to celebrate, that "international" flimflam went from Lima to IWA to ISO 19867-1 2018.<br><br>Regulator? What regulator? Gimme a break. Product standards agencies regulate commerce, not indoor air quality nor cooking. (For instance, clothes washers; think of all attributes the user needs or wants, and what a washing machine standard does. Standard for detergent is separate, and quality of water is yet another. It is presumed that the user hast clothes and water. Here, there ought to be no presumption that every user has same food ingredients in quality or quantity for every meal, or that somebody has fuel standards and indoor air quality standards).<br><br>This may be a "first step" to you. But without a contextual performance standard, all this Tier-ing is simply gearing toward more deception. Eating hash rather than smoking it. <br><br>That experts at ISO may be woke is no reason for me to get up and celebrate. Dope induces various layers of sleep. All that this document promises is "
<span style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(97,97,97)">customization in reporting, while still maintaining harmonization in testing to compare products.</span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"> "</span>
<br><br>I don't know a valid theory of change in use of solid fuel cookstoves that lab testing of theoretically usable stoves has to "maintain harmonization", just customize reporting. <br><br>If at all, I prefer your idea of reporting tests graphically rather than by a single number. <br><br>I don't think WBT is dead yet. Check with CDM and Gold Standard. <br><br>Even your hope for replicability in and across labs is misplaced. It is the actual use that matters. <br><br>The lesson that is yet to be learned is that only stoves that are usable and actually used merit lab testing in the first place. Otherwise carts will be piled in front of dead horses. <br><br>And usability and performance depend on "<span style="font-size:small;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">specific cohorts of users experiencing local conditions."<br></span>
<br>Next step -- morphology of "specific cohorts of users" and of "local conditions". Say, for 300 million out of 3 billion people. <br><br>I ain't woke. Blacked out from head punches. (See <a href="https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/straight-dope/article/13039270/straight-dope-the-physics-of-punching-someone-in-the-face">https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/straight-dope/article/13039270/straight-dope-the-physics-of-punching-someone-in-the-face</a>. Getting heat and temperature right for different foods is more important than computing efficiencies and emissions per minute.)<br><div><br></div><div>Nikhil<br><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="georgia, serif">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Nikhil Desai</font></div><div><span style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small">(US +1) 202 568 5831</span><font face="georgia, serif"><br><i>Skype: nikhildesai888</i><br></font><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com" target="_blank">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Dear Nikhil<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I seems the core message got through – without considering the context, the worth of a stove test is questionable for regulatory purposes.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Where the evaluation is directly relevant to the expected patterns of use, the assessment has value to a regulator.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The question of context is even more critical for program managers and policy makers because they are invariably focused on specific cohorts of users experiencing local conditions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The next challenge is to see if the test method can produce replicable results, first within one laboratory and then between them. As the test method is not testing apparatus-agnostic, the effort to adapt the Standard
to a national one will in many cases require adapting the text to suit existing and broadly accepted, but significantly different practice. Reputations are earned, not given, so let’s have a go at the test and see what we get.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The WBT is dead. Long live something else.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Regards<span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I can remember the joy when my writing was first published. <br>
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Whether or not it did any good to anybody, the feeling is relief, excitement, bubbling head.<br>
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" <span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(97,97,97)">A key learning was the need to better reflect local context and practices, and the newly published document allows for customization in reporting, while still maintaining harmonization
in testing to compare products.</span> "<br>
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I wonder if experts are finally woke. <br>
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Mucho moolahs dangling on the trees. <br>
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<span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(97,97,97)">The International Organization for Standardization (ISO) has published the first international <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F66519.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243590369&sdata=%2B6kId61zQbh7eWgMLitGvg%2B29paLsRwYx3QGA81gjoQ%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><b><span style="color:rgb(38,125,132);text-decoration:none">standard
for laboratory testing</span></b></a> of cookstoves. Developed and approved by international experts from 45 countries, the new standard includes protocols to test and report the emissions, efficiency, safety and durability of cookstoves in a lab setting.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(97,97,97)">"Standards play a critical role in virtually every industry, delivering transformative impact on safety and performance," said Sally Seitz, co-Secretariat of ISO Technical Committee
285 (ISO TC 285) and senior program manager at the American National Standards Institute. "With the publication of this standard, the clean cooking sector is poised to make significant strides toward better products and ultimately, toward improved outcomes
for consumers who use them.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(97,97,97)">The standard, which replaces an ISO International Workshop Agreement from 2012, is expected to serve as the basis for national policies and programs on cookstoves, while also incentivizing
manufacturers and developers to improve stove quality and performance. An accompanying ISO <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fstandard%2F73935.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=ipKO8%2Bf%2BpXMDE1V8RRBRdEnGYY4nh20%2BjbV%2FbwB0wAI%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><b><span style="color:rgb(38,125,132);text-decoration:none">technical
report</span></b></a> that benchmarks performance to voluntary performance targets, or tiers, and provides guidance on how to understand and interpret lab test results was also approved by member countries of the ISO Committee and will soon be published.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(97,97,97)">Development of the standard, which was supported by the Alliance, was informed by learnings about the advantages and limitations of previous protocols, as well as the latest sector
research. A key learning was the need to better reflect local context and practices, and the newly published document allows for customization in reporting, while still maintaining harmonization in testing to compare products.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(97,97,97)">“The cooperation and dedication of experts from around the world has yielded the standard,” said Richard Ebong, convener of the ISO TC 285 lab testing working group and manager of legal
metrology at the Ugandan National Bureau of Standards. “The responsibility is now with national standards organizations and other stakeholders to carry this forward in our countries. I shall do all that's within my powers to promote the standard.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(97,97,97)">This voluntary document provides a framework for organizations, countries and regions to adapt and implement the protocols, metrics, and targets based on their priorities over the coming
months and years. ISO standards are reviewed and updated regularly, so these standards can be updated based on future research and on the progress in the cookstove and fuel market.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(97,97,97)">ISO TC 285 also published a <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fobp%2Fui%2F%23iso%3Astd%3Aiso%3Atr%3A21276%3Aed-1%3Av1%3Aen&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=mwObQH%2BZnS%2FSB3NgAy%2B9Ml38L%2FaeIdLvBp69%2F%2F20Mno%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><b><span style="color:rgb(38,125,132);text-decoration:none">technical
report</span></b></a> in May that provides harmonized definitions to key terms and concepts used within the sector. In addition, the ISO TC 285 has also been developing guidance on field testing, and it is currently open for ballot at the draft international
standard phase. If approved, it is expected to reach the final phase of development in late 2018 or early 2019.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(97,97,97)">For additional information about the lab standard and voluntary performance targets technical report, and how they might impact your organization and work, please review <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcleancookstoves.org%2Fresources%2F556.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cdb0d89b0f9684e0c0b7108d5d9e81a21%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636654513243746620&sdata=ePa4v3Scu0JQDoM%2FZvh2BJpjZlblm4cuElhYnb1FIfQ%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><b><span style="color:rgb(38,125,132);text-decoration:none">FAQs
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