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    Stovers,<br>
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    Interesting discussions, and I am not taking sides about testing
    methods (but I do clearly endorse char-making stoves, but not
    necessarily the ways that they are measured / evaluaterd.)<br>
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    But I will disagree with Andrew's recent comment:
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      However coal burning space heating appliances are not a topic for
      this list any more than discussing hydronic or hot air central
      heating systems.</blockquote>
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    My disagreement is not about coal vs biomass on this Listserv, but
    is about the enargy needs (cooking and room heating) of <u>impoverished
    </u>people being the true purpose of this listserv.      Crispin';s
    work with coal in those difficult circumstances is of great interest
    to me (and to others, I am sure.)    <br>
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    We even have interest in issues about LPG stoves as long as the
    discussion is about developing socieities (and not about LPG for
    backyard grilling, etc.)<br>
    <br>
    Paul<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/29/2018 4:38 AM, Andrew Heggie
      wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 at 04:16, Crispin
            Pemberton-Pigott <<a
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b>Ronal>Measuring char-making
                      capabilities of a cook stove that excels in
                      emissions and other ways is probably a real
                      problem if one is into coal-consuming heating
                      stoves.</b></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">Are you trying to impugn the work
                  of thousands of diligent workers bringing better lives
                  and living conditions to the hundreds of millions of
                  people suffering from coal and smoke in Asia? Even for
                  you, that is a scurrilous
                  <i>ad hom</i> comment. </p>
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          <div>Crispin that it a non sequitur from Ronal's (correct)
            point and itself disingenuous ad hominem attack.<br>
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          <div>It's a simple fact that char making and coal burning
            stoves are opposites. <br>
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          <div>I applaud your placing a design into the public domain
            and there is little doubt coal will be used to make heat and
            power for a while yet, all the time some of my electricity
            is provided by coal burning I'm not going to deny anyone the
            right to keep warm when no alternative means are available.</div>
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          <div>However coal burning space heating appliances are not a
            topic for this list any more than discussing hydronic or hot
            air central heating systems.<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">If you are not willing to do the
                  groundwork necessary to make useful contributions to
                  the science of performance testing and rating, your
                  level of influence will not rise above its current
                  undetectable level.
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          <div>That is a woolly and unnecessary statement as Ronal does
            more groundwork looking into the science of burning and
            pollution than most on here, myself included. <br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">This correspondence is sufficiently
                  complete.</p>
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          <div>I would hope so but am well used to your desire to have
            the last word.</div>
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          <div>Andrew<br>
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