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Andrew and all,<br>
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I changed the Subject (thread) to reflect the actual topic.<br>
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Harold's comments (below) are well stated. We Stovers should not
turn our backs on coal stoves WHERE IMPOVERISHED PEOPLE RELY ON
THEM.<br>
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As long as the Subject line clearly shows that COAL fuel is the
topic, readers of the Stoves Listserv can easily choose to read or
ignore such messages. I expect that there will be spurts of
messages, and then very little about coal stoves.<br>
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Paul<br>
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<div>I would like to add my voice to a request for coal stoves
(home cooking and heating) to be added back to the discussion
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<div>I agree with Andrew's comments that the diversion into
climate change was way off topic and should not be part of
this list. But the fact that such abuse occurred is not to my
mind valid reason to blacklist the entire domain of coal
stoves. There are are of the world where coals (of various
types) are the dominant energy carrier, and the techniques for
clean burning stoves, whether coal or modern biomass, rely on
the same underlying principles of physics, chemistry and
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<div>Please do not allow populist sentiment against coal as a
source of long term climate pollution detract from the
near-term necessity to burn it as cleanly as possible until
the longed for utopia when we all live in a pollution free
planet, with no war, hunger or inequality (or smelly domestic
combustion fuels!).</div>
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<div>Best regards</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, 29 Jun 2018 at 20:14, Andrew Heggie <<a
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> But I will disagree with Andrew's recent comment:<br>
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> However coal burning space heating appliances are not a
topic for this list any more than discussing hydronic or hot
air central heating systems.<br>
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> My disagreement is not about coal vs biomass on this
Listserv, but is about the enargy needs (cooking and room
heating) of impoverished people being the true purpose of this
listserv. Crispin';s work with coal in those difficult
circumstances is of great interest to me (and to others, I am
sure.)<br>
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> We even have interest in issues about LPG stoves as long
as the discussion is about developing socieities (and not
about LPG for backyard grilling, etc.)<br>
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Fair comment Paul and we do see some discussion on these
fossil fuels<br>
but it isn't strictly in the [stoves] mission statement and
often<br>
leads to arguments. I'll tolerate discussing anything that
helps<br>
disseminate information to help people in need but not if it
leads to<br>
arguments on climate change where there are better places for
that.<br>
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Tom Miles will be the final arbiter on that.<br>
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Andrew<br>
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