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    Andrew and all,<br>
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    I changed the Subject (thread) to reflect the actual topic.<br>
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    Harold's comments (below) are well stated.  We Stovers should not
    turn our backs on coal stoves WHERE IMPOVERISHED PEOPLE RELY ON
    THEM.<br>
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    As long as the Subject line clearly shows that COAL fuel is the
    topic, readers of the Stoves Listserv can easily choose to read or
    ignore such messages.  I expect that there will be spurts of
    messages, and then very little about  coal stoves.<br>
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    Paul<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/5/2018 9:01 AM, Harold Annegarn
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        <div>I would like to add my voice to a request for coal stoves
          (home cooking and heating) to be added back to the discussion
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        <div>I agree with Andrew's comments that the diversion into
          climate change was way off topic and should not be part of
          this list. But the fact that such abuse occurred is not to my
          mind valid reason to blacklist the entire domain of coal
          stoves. There are are of the world where coals (of various
          types) are the dominant energy carrier, and the techniques for
          clean burning stoves, whether coal or modern biomass, rely on
          the same underlying principles of physics, chemistry and
          industrial design.</div>
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        <div>Please do not allow populist sentiment against coal as a 
          source of long term climate pollution detract from the
          near-term necessity to burn it as cleanly as possible until
          the longed for utopia when we all live in a pollution free
          planet, with no war, hunger or inequality (or smelly domestic
          combustion fuels!).</div>
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        <div>Best regards</div>
        <div>Harold<br>
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                                                  <div>Harold Annegarn<br>
                                                    Associate Professor,
                                                    School of Geo and
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                                                    North-West
                                                    University,
                                                    Potchefstroom<br>
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                                                    China Agricultural
                                                    University, Beijing<br>
                                                    Mobile +27 (0)83 628
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          Jun 2018 at 18:12, Paul Anderson <<a
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          > But I will disagree with Andrew's recent comment:<br>
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          > However coal burning space heating appliances are not a
          topic for this list any more than discussing hydronic or hot
          air central heating systems.<br>
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          > My disagreement is not about coal vs biomass on this
          Listserv, but is about the enargy needs (cooking and room
          heating) of impoverished people being the true purpose of this
          listserv.      Crispin';s work with coal in those difficult
          circumstances is of great interest to me (and to others, I am
          sure.)<br>
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          > We even have interest in issues about LPG stoves as long
          as the discussion is about developing socieities (and not
          about LPG for backyard grilling, etc.)<br>
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          Fair comment Paul and we do see some discussion on these
          fossil fuels<br>
          but it isn't strictly in the [stoves] mission statement and
          often<br>
          leads to  arguments. I'll tolerate discussing anything that
          helps<br>
          disseminate information to help people in need but not if it
          leads to<br>
          arguments on climate change where there are better places for
          that.<br>
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          Tom Miles will be the final arbiter on that.<br>
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          Andrew<br>
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