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Xavier, (Note: This and many stove messages by Paul
Anderson are placed at the Posts section of <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a>
).<br>
<br>
What you wrote (below) could be correct in many ways. But I say
(like a broken record, over and over again) that the TLUD
micro-gasifier stoves do already exist and are shown to do the job
for clean cooking and to be acceptable by the people and to be
financially favorable (as shown in the West Bengal area with 40,000
households.) But without the scale-up funding for the West Bengal
methodology, the progressive expansion to more houses is quite slow.<br>
<br>
The TLUD success story is regardless or in spite of the WBT
issues.. <br>
<br>
The problem of the non-TLUD stoves is that they really are NOT good
enough to meet the expectations and requirements of the people.
Fixing the testing methods is not going to fix those issues.
Better testing would then become a call for another round of trying
to get sticks to burn, when in fact the TLUD stoves are quite
cleanly burning Pyrolytic BioGas (PBG) (or woodgas or pyro-gas) that
the stove makes from the biomass. <br>
<br>
There are a few of us who keep working on the TLUD stoves. But the
work is not about showing that PBG in a TLUD stove burns cleanly.
We know that it does. Certainly there can be improvements (such as
by the work of Kirk Harris). But my TLUD stove efforts now are
about scale-up and finacial support (that can be repaid!!!). <br>
<br>
And now the battles are becoming harder because of:<br>
1. The reporting of the non-success of the regular (non-gasifier)
stoves,<br>
2. Bad publicity for the GACC (being called another failure of
cookstove efforts)<br>
3. Constant bickering about testing methods <br>
4. The "glorification" of LPG for cookstoves for impoverished
people, but LPG cannot reach even 50% of the world-wide need.<br>
<br>
I am still optimistic that TLUD stoves will eventually get the
attention they deserve, and to be dis-associated from the stick
burners. And then to receive the support to scale-up level by level
in an expanding list of countries. Bring on the pellet fuels, and
the fan-assisted TLUDs, and the non-wood (agro-refuse) fuels, and
the carbon credit benefits, and even the possible adoption of TLUD
stoves by the promoters of the failing stick-burners (They are fully
welcomed). For TLUD stoves, the future is still very bright, but
it could be brighter without the haze/fog/smoke of the
non-successful stoves.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.drtlud.com">www.drtlud.com</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/13/2018 5:05 AM, Xavier Brandao
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Dear Paul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks for
sharing this very
good paper.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It brings a
good reflection upon
all those years. Yet it still didn’t answer the question:
why didn’t it work?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Because the
improved cookstoves
were not adopted. But why?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The stoves were
not adopted
because they were not good enough. The problem is not a
problem of adoption, of
customers. The stoves were, and still are the problem. If
the first Iphone was 3000
USD, with an autonomy of 20 minutes, and very slow when
navigating, no one
would have bought it -> back to the R&D and
engineering department, try
again and better.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For the
improved cookstove
sector:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="color:#1F497D">A lot of investment
in combustion and stove R&D was needed: it never
happened<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="color:#1F497D">The GACC needed to
address the problem of the WBT as soon as there were
concerns with it. The GACC
never did. Even now, July 2018, the first testing protocol
on the GACC website
is still the WBT. Results: the WBT kept testers and
manufacturers into a swamp
of under-performing stoves with over-performing results.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span
style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="color:#1F497D">Poor products were
developed, tested, distributed in villages, and ended-up
like Cummins stoves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">One needs to
admit his/her
mistake, before being able to correct them and move forward.
This never
happened.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There’s little
mystery behind
that global failure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Xavier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">De :</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> Stoves
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>] <b>De
la part de</b> Paul
Anderson<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> jeudi 12 juillet 2018 23:12<br>
<b>À :</b> Stoves and biofuels network<br>
<b>Objet :</b> [Stoves] Must reed: Re: [stove]
ProPublica article out<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Stovers,<br>
<br>
I thank Kirk Smith for getting the ProPublica article to our
attention as soon
as it became available.<br>
<br>
Read. Perhaps weep. Work
harder. Learn about the opposition to biomass stoves.<br>
<br>
Personally, I am disappointed that there was not a glimmer of
recognition of
what the TLUD micro-gasifiers HAVE ACCOMPLISHED and have shown
to be possible
in terms of (A) quite clean cookstoves, (B) STRONG user
acceptance, and (C)
that carbon credits ARE working with TLUD gasifiers. The
authors
(and those who were interviewed and quoted) seem to be totally
unaware of the
REPORTED IN 2016 success in the Deganga pilot study with
11,000 Champion TLUD
stoves (see <a href="http://www.drtlud.com/deganga2016"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.drtlud.com/deganga2016</a>
) And lesser known is that the number of households has
invreased to about 40,000. And we are looking for funding
for scale
up for the larger numbers.<br>
<br>
But this article will make it even more difficult to get
funding for scale-up
of the TLUD stove success story. However, if it can stop
wasted
money on the UNsuccessful stove-types that are indicated (but
not named) in the
article, I am not against that. <br>
<br>
This is now mid-2018. The GACC will claim success to reach
100
million households by 2020 on the basis of LPG stoves in
India. And
then what???? <br>
<br>
Read the article. It is worthy of some discussion here on
the
Stoves Listserv..<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" moz-do-not-send="true">psanders@ilstu.edu</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072<o:p></o:p></pre>
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