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<p class="MsoPlainText">Dear Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Your cited article does not support your assertion, in fact, contradicts it. Nikhil detailed the mis-match so I won't repeat it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">I have sent you separately a substantial publication showing not only the impact of advanced coal burning stoves on a whole city (Ulaanbaatar) but also detailing the tests conducted using a modern crossdraft stove and a number of fuels.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Remarkable for those test results is the demonstration that raw coal consistently out-performs semi-coked coal briquettes, the supposedly "clean" version of coal by a factor of about 5. There are very, very few types of stoves that can
deliver heat at less than 0.5 mg PM<sub>2.5</sub>/MJ<sub>D</sub>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Coal-burning heating stoves are typically run for long periods of time at low power - 10 hours or more, even 24/7. It is at low power than the extremely clean combustors turn PM emissions negative. The stoves literally clean the air
that passes through them while burning raw coal. The crossdraft stoves KG4.4 and MN4.2 are optimised to achieve this.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">The cleanest burning wood pellet TLUD I have seen was reported here. It was made in Indonesia. I posted photos at the time. The PM2.5 emission mass per delivered unit of heat (4 mg) is about half that of an LPG stove tested in India
(8 mg). The stove is not commercially available as far as I know, though at the time the designer had that intention. Technically that level of emissions is below the detection limit because the uncertainty bar includes zero. I have one of these stoves in
my garage.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">As far as I know, the cleanest burning charcoal stove (for CO) is the all-ceramic POCA in Maputo loaded with suitably sized lump charcoal. A new geopolymer version may out-perform it. We'll see.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Crispin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-CA">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Ronal W. Larson <rongretlarson@comcast.net> <br>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2018 12:52 AM<br>
To: Discussion of biomass <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org>; Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott@outlook.com><br>
Subject: Re: [Stoves] TLUD stoves and tests</span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Crispin et al:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> I gave a cite for my assertion. What is your cite for the assertion that coal-burning stoves were ever superior to those tested by Jetter et al?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Jul 26, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">crispinpigott@outlook.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Dear Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">>> I gave a cite yesterday to a paper by Jetter et al, that is on testing. Clearly the best performing stoves there were TLUDs and fan-powered (also TLUD principles).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> The cleanest burning stoves were, at the time, coal stoves, and they were not reported. Tests available at the time, and far more available now (perhaps 1000) clearly show that advanced combustor designs for coal and charcoal outperform
biomass stoves in general.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Crispin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> List, Xavier and Kirk<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> The main item not being discussed below is the recently approved (with a huge majority by a lot of stove experts - after years of debate) new ISO test procedures. To me this proves conclusively that the WBT is fine.
Giving cites for inadequacy that are very old is no proof of anything.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> On Jul 26, 2018, at 12:51 PM, <<a href="mailto:xav.brandao@gmail.com%3cmailto:xav.brandao@gmail.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xav.brandao@gmail.com<mailto:xav.brandao@gmail.com</span></a>>> <<a href="mailto:xav.brandao@gmail.com%3cmailto:xav.brandao@gmail.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">xav.brandao@gmail.com<mailto:xav.brandao@gmail.com</span></a>>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Dear Kirk,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> “A well designed TLUD type stove will do well, whatever test it is given.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> RWL1: Kirk - I have to disagree. There are tests (especially one used in China) that treat char as waste - and so don't measure the produced char. I guarantee that TLUDs will look bad on those tests.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Will it for sure? I have not tested nor seen tests of TLUD stoves myself, nor read that much about TLUD testing.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> [RWL2: I gave a cite yesterday to a paper by Jetter et
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> al, that is on testing. Clearly the best performing stoves there were
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> TLUDs and fan-powered (also TLUD principles). To repeat - see
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> “A lesser performing type stove will accordingly do less well, whatever test it is given.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> No.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> It might perform great sometimes with the WBT. Then terrible. Then great. Then quite ok.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Then it might perform great or terrible in the field.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> There is too much variability and unreliability.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> [RWL3: Can you give cites on these three sentences? Maybe from some group that treats char as waste?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Have you read Fabio Riva and Francesco Lombardi papers?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> [RWL4: I have - and I recall no statements about TLUDs or char-making. They want to do more testing to get an accuracy that is un-needed and wasteful of time and money.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> I'll stop here - to give time on the above.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> “Is there a lab on the west coast of the USA where I/we can have cooking vessels tested with this test? This would be a lab with quality equipment and well trained personal, not back yard equipment.”<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> I don’t know.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> The only labs I know of which perform the CSI are the YDD lab (Yayasan Dian Desa), and the CAU (China Agricultural University) lab.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> But any lab can perform it: the Burn Design Lab or the Aprovecho could very well do it. I think it is worth asking them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> OK, you chose to say “disliked and liked tests”. It is up to you. I choose to say “reliable and unreliable”, and this is not judgmental. It is backed with scientific evidence, it is the conclusion of a dozen studies reviewing the protocols.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Likewise “smoking is unhealthy” is not judgmental. It is objective and based on scientific data.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> Have you read the studies I shared many times?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> If you didn’t, here they are:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> * Usually Crispin or myself point at the issues with the WBT, backed with studies.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> * We ask if he read the studies<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> * He didn’t<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> * We point at the studies, documenting the issues with the WBT<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">> * Repeat<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">> “Very little progress has been made. I assume that you are not saying
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