<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#351c75">Crispin. We developed this stove based on fond hope of helping rural women. The idea came sometime in early 1990s after discussing with one of my engineers who came from Himalayan region of Uttarakhand. There is a major crisis in these areas of people distilling illicit alcohol. They drink this hooch and beat up their wives. The wives had to walk long distances in hills to get fuel for cooking. So we thought that this low concentration ethanol will solve the twin problem of men drinking and women will have better fuel. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#351c75"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#351c75">Sad part is neither these problems were solved though, we feel it did start a program of ethanol cooking!</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#351c75"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#351c75">Cheers.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#351c75"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#351c75">Anil</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:#351c75"><br></div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute (NARI)<br>Tambmal, Phaltan-Lonand Road<br>P.O.Box 44<br>Phaltan-415523, Maharashtra, India<br>Ph:+91-9168937964<br><a href="mailto:e-mail%3Anariphaltan@gmail.com" target="_blank">e-mail:nariphaltan@gmail.com</a><br> <a href="mailto:nariphaltan@nariphaltan.org" target="_blank">nariphaltan@nariphaltan.org</a><br><br><a href="http://www.nariphaltan.org" target="_blank">http://www.nariphaltan.org</a><br><br><a href="http://nariphaltan.org/narisouvenir.pdf" target="_blank">http://nariphaltan.org/narisouvenir.pdf</a> (Fifty Years of NARI)<br><br></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 8:16 PM Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <<a href="mailto:crispinpigott@outlook.com">crispinpigott@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div name="BB10" id="gmail-m_-7143160778883729563BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Dear Anil</div>
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<div name="BB10" id="gmail-m_-7143160778883729563BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">I found two things odd about the low concentration ethanol story and perhaps you can comment. Why low concentration? Was it easy to make? Or make without a distillation process? Or
a <i>good</i> distillation process?</div>
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<div name="BB10" id="gmail-m_-7143160778883729563BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Ethanol is being tried in Madagascar maybe for the past five years. Kenya is in their sights. The local producers have no problem getting 85% concentration which is above the SANS
requirement of 80%. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="gmail-m_-7143160778883729563BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">The energy content at 20% water is not great to begin with and when there is more of it the stove's cooking power becomes ever-more hopeless. So the first question is why sell water
as fuel in the first place?</div>
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<div name="BB10" id="gmail-m_-7143160778883729563BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">There was a suspicious program in Malawi trying to sell water as a bonus in ethanol looking at the energy from reformation of H2O without mentioning the energy it subtracted to break
it down. It got lots of subsidies. </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="gmail-m_-7143160778883729563BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Next is the expectation that ethanol is "a clean fuel". This silly talk has been going on for longer than most stove makers might realise. Some of the worst stoves are those thrown
together in a garage burning ethanol or ethanol gel with attendant claims that because " the fuel is clean" the emissions are "safe". </div>
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<div name="BB10" id="gmail-m_-7143160778883729563BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Your story about the CO is not unusual at all. It is easy to create CO with ethanol. So my question is why the GOI doesn't have a performance requirement for combustion efficiency.
It ethanol is that magical category of "clean fuels" that are acceptable no matter what the emissions are from the stove?</div>
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<div name="BB10" id="gmail-m_-7143160778883729563BB10_response_div_BBPPID" dir="auto" style="width:100%">Thanks</div>
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We pioneered in early 2000 the <a href="https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnariphaltan.org%2Fethstove.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C182f652d235e4bb90ddd08d6687b4ccc%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636811276103212334&sdata=szrBG39BkSR0%2F1JGJ6%2BdTr%2Ff%2F6wLi7SfD5ML9tJq1hw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">
development of low concentration ethanol stove</a>. However testing them in rural huts we found high amounts of CO emitted. This gave headaches to few hut dwellers. There is a propensity of higher CO emissions in ethanol/methanol fuels. They should be taken
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GOI in its stupidity is pushing all these things irrespective of their consequences. They are also pushing for ethanol production for cars from different biomass fuels. Stovers might like to read about a small essay that I wrote about it recently. </div>
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