<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The Trollworks and Southwest Energy Integrators are beginning a USDA Forest Service grant funded pilot project that covers all of the issues being discussed here. I see a good deal of misconception about the forest issues, which is common even in the forestry field, due to competing interests, political prejudices, and limited funding - all combining to make practical solutions more difficult.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">An outline of our pilot: It is taking place in a Southwestern US ecosystem dominated by pinyon, juniper, and Ponderosa pine forests, which are generally in need of thinning of biomass built up over a century of mismanagement via three primary factors; overgrazing (removal of fine fuels on the forest floor), natural fire suppression, and big tree logging. The idea that these forest floors need “raking”, and that was the cause of the disastrous Camp Fire is beyond laughable - those fuels are necessary for the kind of fire that has been missing for so long as a component of natural ecosystem management. What needs to be removed is the overstocking of small trees and brush. That costs money and proactive commitment, which are in short supply. Tax cuts are no replacement for thinning cuts…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A solution is to create products that can be made from such liability biomass, thereby giving it some value that can offset some of the costs of acquisition. Biochar and energy have the potential to do that better than any other product we have worked with. However, we have learned through decades of experience in the rural community context, that it is of critical importance to coordinate and optimize the whole process from forest planning through biomass acquisition, primary breakdown of materials, processing into char and storable char feedstock, utilization of the heat energy from the biogas, and finally establishment of local char markets - to make the system work. Working on any one of these elements in isolation from the system context will introduce costs and inefficiencies that can prevent success.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The pilot project is to take thinned material from the national forest to a modest collection and processing yard where it will be chipped. </div><div class="">The chips will be loaded into a dryer/hopper where air heated from combusting pyrolysis gases will blow through the hopper drying the biomass. </div><div class="">The dried chips will go to a hammermill to be sized for pelletizing.</div><div class="">About 30% of the pelletized material will be fed into the pyrolyzers and made into char and more heat for drying biomass.</div><div class="">The remaining 70% of pellets will be bagged and stored for use in the heating season.</div><div class="">Several pyrolyzer/boiler systems will be installed at a campus building at the site (a college), and the pellets will be used to provide building heat while making char.</div><div class="">The char will be sold locally or used by the college in STEM curricula, soil science, and R&D endeavors.</div><div class="">The pilot is expected to displace $50K/year in propane expense and net $20K in “profit” assuming a modest price for the char can be realized. </div><div class="">To the greatest extent possible, existing businesses (forest thinners, haulers, wood products businesses, power line maintenance companies, etc) will be integrated into the community scaled system.</div><div class="">The system will be highly adaptable to existing conditions by virtue of being modular and easily scalable.</div><div class="">There will be no open burning.</div><div class="">Almost any biomass source can be accommodated.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We expect to begin production this Spring.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 18, 2019, at 4:37 AM, Paul Taylor <a href="mailto:potaylor@bigpond.com" class="">potaylor@bigpond.com</a> [biochar] <<a href="mailto:biochar@yahoogroups.com" class="">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration: none; position: relative;" class=""><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; z-index: 1;" class=""><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia;" class=""><p style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=""><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 14pt;" class="">Hi Crispin: Thanks for your response, and starting the dialogue. <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">My suggestion of scale was meant to be for 200L and above. Large scale units have been designed and manufactured in Australia to pass EPA regulations, but they are far too expensive for a small property holder. For widespread use by homesteaders (such as on properties in “suburban” forest covered hills, at the transition to the bush), the cost needs to be low, and it seems if it does not look like a stove or oven there would not yet be a classification to allow it on the house-holder property, no matter that the alternative might be an open burn or bush fire on the property, with far more emissions. <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Hence my enquiry, which I felt addressed a widespread niche. The corollary is an increased refinement of functioning, but economic, CHAB (combined heat and biochar) designs. The largest such device might mimic a large pizza oven (and as CHAB an open living heater, greenhouse heater etc.). Smaller than 200L are insufficient to handle the unprocessed biomass, and anyway those devices are well explored. Continuous units of course are better, except I do not observe them yet meeting the budget that householders seem prepared to spend.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">In the area there is lots of horse manure, so pre and post treating is possible, and would be needed for people with business leanings.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">In response to the damage and deaths from large fires, changes in practice must be occurring in Australia also, but in this particular area bordering national park, the response to confronting extreme danger in defensive burns has been to disallow all burns (at least in drought times). That of course will be unsustainable. In Germany, where we often are, people are willing and eager to go out and hand-harvest the limb-fall and thin the forest for winter stove use, but modern Australians seem less eager for manual caretaking of the country, and more inclined to thinking in terms of large bulldozer scale – not going to happen on small properties next to a national park though. <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I do advocate the personal and social value of manual caretaking. I therefore advocate getting taxes off labor and onto fossil fuels and financial transaction. Then the work of people will be more valued, and innovation will lead to renewable energy AI-micro-mechanization (robots), who can in coming decades take over much of the manual caretaking of country and farm.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I suppose we are also finally admitting we have something to learn from the original caretakers. I have great respect for how they managed their country with fire-sticks prior to 1788, as well described in the book ”the worlds biggest estate” <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Biggest-Estate-Earth-Bill-Gammage-ebook/dp/B00KTKNWEW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547807129&sr=8-1&keywords=the+worlds+biggest+estate" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Verdana;" class="">https://www.amazon.com/Biggest-Estate-Earth-Bill-Gammage-ebook/dp/B00KTKNWEW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547807129&sr=8-1&keywords=the+worlds+biggest+estate</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Where they are allowed to manage in the traditional way today, the result is smoke and fire visible, as elsewhere in the world, from space. We need to do better now than return the C to the atmosphere, and scatter soot on the polar ice. Aussies, though, would not be inclined to burn much of anything in our hot and dry seasons, unless they are an arsonist.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">My particular concern in the enquiry to the stove-biochar group was the niche of medium scale stove/oven “appearing” or acting devices. I am interested in all scales, so discussion of the more commercial scales is welcome. I generally spend less personal time on commercial scale in my mission of democratizing knowledge and action related to biochar, because commercial designs are progressing, and companies lobby in their own interests. However, if the citizen is not empowered with knowledge and a hand in managing their own property and the common atmosphere, then politicians and many businesses will most certainly allow and encourage things to go countercurrent to the common good.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Kind regards...Paul<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">On 1/18/19, 2:59 PM, "Anderson, Paul" <<a href="x-msg://12/psanders@ilstu.edu" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Verdana;" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font></p><blockquote style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;" class="" type="cite"><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Crispin, see below (All should note that BOTH the Stoves and Biochar Listserv are receiving these messages. Some people (double-dippers like me) will get two copies. Those on only one Listserv will be sending replies to only that one List will send out. So be prepared that some messages will not reach everyone on the first transmission.) (I also send some of my messages to the ePosts section of my website<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">www.drtlud.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">http://www.drtlud.com</a>> so that they are in some additional record.)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 14pt;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Email: <font color="#0563C1" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="x-msg://12/psanders@ilstu.edu" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> Skype: paultlud<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile: 309-531-4434<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Website: <font color="#0563C1" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">www.drtlud.com</a></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">http://www.drtlud.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 14pt;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Stoves <<a href="x-msg://12/stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Crispin Pemberton-Pigott<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, January 17, 2019 9:12 PM<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="x-msg://12/stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>; Paul Taylor <<a href="x-msg://12/potaylor@bigpond.com" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">potaylor@bigpond.com</a>>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="x-msg://12/biochar@yahoogroups.com" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Hans-Peter Schmidt' - Switzerland - Nepal <<a href="x-msg://12/schmidt@ithaka-institut.org" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">schmidt@ithaka-institut.org</a>><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Stoves] Biochar makers that are low emission, fire safe, and "look like" a stove, oven or heater<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Dear Paul A and Paul T<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Questions.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font></font><ol style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><li style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Why has the scale to be as small as 200 L? Given the scale of the requirement (doing what the Finns do which is to rake the forest of material with a bulldozer-type unit to get it out of the way) it seems you need a much larger approach to make the system viable economically and to deal with the volumes.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font></font></li></ol><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">PSA: 200 L is a convenient size for learning. Making larger requires more money or uncommon “barrels.” But they do need to become larger, even MUCH larger. What Paul T. described with forced air exists already in the shipping-container size for a lot of money.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font></font><ol style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><li style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Are we to assume that a batch loaded unit that could be loaded and left to burn out, self-extinguish and cool before unloading would be more acceptable to the EPA than something which is continuous, and which episodically expels red hot char?<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font></font></li></ol><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">PSA: No. The batch loaded is unlikely to be scalable to sufficient size. And red hot char is extracted from the 4C kiln with appropriate safety measures. 4C is Covered, Controlled, CONTINUOUS Cavity kiln (Cavity as in the Kon-Tiki, cone, trough, and trench kilns. All have a cavity so that the “Flame Cap” combustion can be functional.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font></font><ol style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><li style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Is the char production efficiency an issue (at all)?<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font></font></li></ol><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">PSA: No. Where biomass quantity is a problem, efficiency is not an issue. The want to be rid of the biomass. Zero char but cleared away is better than having the biomass in excess but created some char. Best is to clear well AND have biochar. I call it PBR Pyrolytic Biomass Reduction (or Reducer, to refer to the device).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font></font><ol style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><li style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Is there a local market for char-containing fertilizers (which requires other inputs to make something viable)? Char on its own is not a fertiliser.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font></font></li></ol><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">PSA: Valid question, but not part of this discussion.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Paul A. (ended here)<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">It sounds like the Aussies are now behind the Californians when it comes to forest management. In the US the forestry service, as well as in California, tried hard to get you to “prevent forest fires” and as a result the buildup of truly dangerous amounts of forest litter has, combined with human foolishness and malfeasance (most forest fires are caused by people, not “temperatures”) to create catastrophic fires. The recent deaths of hundreds of people in the Camp Fire started by defective electrical equipment in a forest where “green activists” banned: cleaning the forest floor, building needed fire access roads and controlled burns, has brought the foolishness of the decades long battle to “prevent fires” into sharp focus. They are now talking openly about returning to the forest management practices of the First Nations people which is to wait for damp conditions and make a controlled burn to remove the clutter.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">The Finnish alternative, which involves a lot more money, is to clear the forest debris mechanically and dispose of it in some manner.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I suggest that it will remain illegal to burn this material to char in the middle of the dry season. It is far more realistic to hear them say it should be stored until the forest is damp and then processed. Perhaps Tom Miles can comment on the likelihood of being allowed to burn this material in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">anything</i>during the dry season.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">The traditional method of management causes the fires to burn slowly and create a good deal of char “naturally” in situ, at scale. If everyone has forgotten how to manage such controlled burns, they are going to have to do something to control the fires because the efficiency of biomass production is up 30% in the past century and will increase even more in the coming one.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Perhaps this is a great opportunity to create a really useful resource out of waste material. If they don’t know how to manage forests, then they can learn to manage the by-products, at least out-of-season.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Regards<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Crispin<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">+++++++++<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></b>All,<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Sorry for the premature sending a moment ago.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">I am confirming that I intend to provide details about the latest of the 4C kiln. I am not sure if I can complete it before I head to ETHOS next Thursday.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">IMHO, it will be worth the wait, and I will welcome collaborators who take the development further.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Paul<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 14pt;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class="">Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Email: <font color="#0563C1" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="x-msg://12/psanders@ilstu.edu" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu</a>> Skype: paultlud<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile: 309-531-4434<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Website: <font color="#0563C1" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><a href="http://www.drtlud.com/" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">www.drtlud.com</a></font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drtlud.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C13b63bc3b21f47907d6708d67cef47d3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636833764469933764&sdata=NV1I6HAqfi1IWQBW%2Ff6Cf4sY2HAAuQJ51zYNXvGlmQ0%3D&reserved=0" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drtlud.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C13b63bc3b21f47907d6708d67cef47d3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636833764469933764&sdata=NV1I6HAqfi1IWQBW%2Ff6Cf4sY2HAAuQJ51zYNXvGlmQ0%3D&reserved=0</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 14pt;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span><font size="2" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 11pt;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Paul Taylor <<a href="x-msg://12/potaylor@bigpond.com" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">potaylor@bigpond.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, January 17, 2019 6:14 AM<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Anderson, Paul <<a href="x-msg://12/psanders@ilstu.edu" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">psanders@ilstu.edu</a>>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="x-msg://12/biochar@yahoogroups.com" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">biochar@yahoogroups.com</a>; Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <<a href="x-msg://12/stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'Hans-Peter Schmidt' - Switzerland - Nepal <<a href="x-msg://12/schmidt@ithaka-institut.org" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">schmidt@ithaka-institut.org</a>><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><b style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Biochar makers that are low emission, fire safe, and "look like" a stove, oven or heater<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""> <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font><span style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 14pt;" class="">Hi all: I am in Australia confronted with the problem of dealing with the issue of excess fuel load in forests in a hot and warming environment. Forest services have rejected in some areas any use ever of pre-burns because of high risk that they get away. People who would like to treat the fuel as a resource for making biochar on their own property are confronted with regulations that prevent any fire device except a stove (cooking or heating).<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Ethos and Aprovecho have been about developing and perfecting stoves (that sometimes make biochar). I would like to develop and refine devices that make biochar and sometimes perform functions of a stove or heater, and importantly look like, a stove or heater to the EPA when they come around. An important scale level would be 55g drum size reaction vessel (or outer envelope), optimized to make biochar with low smoke and VERY low fire danger, but passing the test that they are stove, firebox, heater or oven. The dominant fuel that the device should be receptive to is limb wood, such as arm sized.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">The open flame-cap devices would clearly be perceived as a fire threat, and rightly so in high fire danger environments. Paul Anderson’s 4C device could be modified and refined to be safer, and to pass muster as a fire place, stove or heater, but serve primarily to make good quantities of biochar. Is anybody working in this direction or seen good designs? <br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Paul A, what refinements would you like to have present in the 4C when it is questioned by the EPA.<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Paul<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></span></font></blockquote><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(255, 255, 255); height: 0px;" class="">__._,_.___</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em; clear: both;" class=""></div><div id="fromDMARC" style="line-height: 1.22em; margin-top: 10px;" class=""><hr style="line-height: 1.22em; height: 2px; border-width: 0px; color: rgb(227, 227, 227); background-color: rgb(227, 227, 227);" class="">Posted by: Paul Taylor <<a href="mailto:potaylor@bigpond.com" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">potaylor@bigpond.com</a>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><hr style="line-height: 1.22em; 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