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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is a question of who owns the spreadsheets and who owns the results.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There is a lot of interesting information one can extract from the spreadsheet that is not available from the reported numbers. There is little one can understand from the final results about the
performance during portions of the test. The summary result is not a design tool, it is a rating tool.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The spreadsheet contains real time CO2, PM and CO plots which are very useful for designers. That is not shown in the final result.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I have been looking over example sheets from some tests and working out how much information we can get that is useful to designers to optimise their products for emissions or control.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If I had a stove tested, I would only do it on condition they gave me the whole spreadsheet. It contains far more information than those few numbers and metrics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Crispin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Stoves <stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Anderson, Paul<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 13, 2019 1:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] TLUD Summit discussion continues on Listservs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Crispin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Each stove owner gets to decide about release of any data, whether summary data or details like spreadsheets.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For the Champion and FABstove tests, let’s wait until Suddha and I provide our interpretations / analyses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Meanwhile, can you be specific about what issues you would be examining and hypotheses of what you could find. That could be a strong incentive to provide the detailed data. There are at least two different objectives:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">1. To analyze the testing calculations that are used in the spreadsheets. THAT is a question for Dean, and many of us are interested in that aspect. Personally, I still do not have a good feel for how the old tier
system (4 tiers) has changed to the new system with 5 tiers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">2. To analyze the differences between two similar but slightly different runs of the test. THAT is of interest to the stove owners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">
psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile: 309-531-4434<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Website: <a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drtlud.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0156e649956949bfcfbe08d691df3aad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636856785274089201&sdata=%2FTb5wccs0mOtyVh2oEYc0co%2F0yWOeoInqfuMA10gyPg%3D&reserved=0">
www.drtlud.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Stoves <<a href="mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Crispin Pemberton-Pigott<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stove Discussion <<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Stoves] TLUD Summit discussion continues on Listservs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"initial",serif;color:#4060BF">Are they willing to share the spreadsheets that produced these numbers?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"initial",serif;color:#4060BF">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"initial",serif;color:#4060BF">Crispin <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> February 13, 2019 12:10 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a>;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> [Stoves] TLUD Summit discussion continues on Listservs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Stovers and Biocharists,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">A total of 16 tests of stoves were conducted at the January 2019 TLUD Summit held at Aprovecho. A summary data sheet from Aprovecho is attached. Just seeing the numbers without discussions is less than ideal, so please
do not over-examine the results. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">16 tests total:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">2 of one stove that was not TLUD powered (Marco – plancha stove from Guatemala)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">1 test of a large TLUD-ND-Large and not intended as a cooking stove ~15 kW) (Norm biochar maker model 16(?) )<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">4 tests of Kirk Harris Wonderwerks TLUD-ND<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">3 tests of Champion TLUD-ND<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">3 tests of Champion TLUD-FA (yes, forced air and not many changes to the Champion TLUD)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">3 tests of FABstove TLUD-FA<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Details with explanations, photos, and interpretations are forthcoming, being prepared by Suddha Banerjee and myself, with comments from any of the stove owners. Please be patient; might take another week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Paul <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Doc / Dr TLUD / Paul S. Anderson, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Exec. Dir. of Juntos Energy Solutions NFP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Email: <a href="mailto:psanders@ilstu.edu">
psanders@ilstu.edu</a> Skype: paultlud<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Phone: Office: 309-452-7072 Mobile: 309-531-4434<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Website: <a href="https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.drtlud.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0156e649956949bfcfbe08d691df3aad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636856785274099212&sdata=i2J1m0gLoaALe360DIjY4sEoM0nlYOMlogbVZgIe2U0%3D&reserved=0">
www.drtlud.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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