<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;font-size:24px"><div id="yiv7325159338"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_3035"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_3034" style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;font-size:24px;"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29712"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30208">Hi Kirk,</span></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30212"><br clear="none"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30208"></span></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30307"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30208">I found your email in my Spam Folder so my last post was "out-of-sync",to say the least.</span></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30309"><br clear="none"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30208"></span></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30311">As they say in England :- "The proof is in the Pudding" and "It only takes one White Crow to prove that not all Crows are black".<br clear="none"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30208"></span></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30313">My main focus has been to make TLUD's that are very inexpensive ( from scrap materials as far as possible ),</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_31086">as Low-Tech as possible,scalable,above all as efficient and healthy as achievable,as "elegant" as possible etc.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_31177"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_31955">My latest version is for camping/mobility and is made from a 2nd Hand Ice Bucket,made from heavy gauge</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_31311"> Stainless Steel ( double walled ).This sort of quality Stainless Steel ( Thermos Flask etc. )</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_31456"> is not easy to get 2nd hand,in Europe.It cost me Euro 3 in a Fleamarket.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_31588">The legs are made from thick iron Fence Wire ( Free ).</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_31633">The Grill top was bought in a shop sale for Euro 2.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_31875">I drilled too many holes in the inner base so i bought some nuts and bolts ( new ) for Euro 2,</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_31898">to plug the excess.The outer insulation is Rockwool ( free ).<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_32105">The total cost ( apart from my labour ) is Euro 7.In Europe,this is the price of approximately 15 large eggs.<br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_31090"><br clear="none"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30208"></span></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30315"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30208">Initially,i suppose,the Spiral Tubes could take a lot of,possibly, heat from the Gases.</span></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30585"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30208">But overall the net effect might be positive.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30653"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30208">My main concern is to burn all the Carbon Monoxide ( CO ) and Nitrogen Oxides,</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_32406"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_30208">thus enabling indoor use as well.</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29713"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_32473"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_32522">Having Spiral Secondary Air channels increases the complexity, though.</div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_32615">Copper tubes, preferably with a flat cross-section,though round copper water pipes could be OK,</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_32930">surrounding the metal ( steel etc. ) combustion chamber is one way.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_32929">Another method is to have the Combustion Chamber made from flat Cross-Section,high-temperature Steel</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_33073">Tubes welded together ( Copper tends to flake at higher temperatures, e.g. burning charcoal ).</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_33487">OR :- A fairly thick high-temperature Steel Combustion Chamber with Spiral Air Channel grooves</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_33558">cut into the outer surface, which is then covered with an insulator ( e.g. Rockwool,which is light ).</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_33849">Obviously, leaving the grooved Spiral Air Channels free and individually airtight.</div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_32475">I like the latter design, being much easier and cheaper for me to accomplish.<br></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_34070">Also better for mobile applications.<br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_32549"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_34072">The air flow resistance, using Spiral Air Channels, is a concern for me plus the fact <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_34417"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_3618" dir="ltr">that a Cyclone Effect, if achieved with Venturi style exit jets, throws the colder air to the outside.</div></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_34801">This effect is used in industry to cool drills etc. (Ranque-Hilsch Effect Tube,"vortex tube")</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_34751">Thank you the comment about your experiments with adding a "swirl" to the gases,</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_38275"> i will take this into account.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_35837">Again, though, i want to burn all the Carbon Monoxide ( CO ) and Nitrates<br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_34142"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_37937">I disagree about the Thermo-Couple, radio etc.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_34141">There are different designs of standard Oil-Lights ( kerosene etc. ) with built-in <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_37773">Thermo-Couples and Radios.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_38005">The Russian Army had them in the 1940's, though they were bulky.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_38007">The original LUFO Oil-Light made, as mentioned below, had a small radio and a 7 Volt <br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_38205">(i can't remember the Amperage) Jack Plug built into the base.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_44882">It used the SEEBECK EFFECT.</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45097">The Swiss friends who made the original design built in a radio for local weather forecasts for farmers,</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45199">fishermen etc.<br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45334">Theirs was a lot cheaper and for every one purchased they gave one away free to people in the "Third-World".</div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45455">Sadly, as explained below, they couldn't continue with it.<font id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_42004" size="5"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45456"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_3778"><font id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_42004" 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#yiv7325159338 </style><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29727"><div class="yiv7325159338WordSection1" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29726"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29725">Dan,</div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29729"> </div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29731">I am sorry that I did not reply sooner. I was studying your contribution to try to get the best idea of what you were saying, and other things crowded in. It is always good to discuss biomass stoves with other experimenters of similar interest.</div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29733"> </div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29735">Your idea of spiraling tubes to increase the efficiency of preheating the secondary air interested me. Several thoughts came to mind. </div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29737">1--Preheating the secondary air uses heat from the wood gas, cooling it. Mixing them back together will give the same temperature as if the air was not preheated. The advantage to preheating the secondary air is that gasses are easier to mix when they are of similar temperature, and more difficult to mix when they are of differing temperatures. That is a good reason to preheat the secondary air.</div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29740">1--The tubes may increase heat transfer, I don’t know. It seems like it might work if the surface area between the air and wood gas is increased. I have not done any tests about this so I cannot confirm. </div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_37498">1--It must be considered whether the tubes increase the flow resistance of the secondary air. This would effect the power level (more draft available to the primary air), and also the ratio between the wood gas and secondary air (clean burning). </div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29922">1--I have done considerable experimenting on using swirl to mix the gasses. It does not help, and may hurt mixing by slinging the cooler, heavier air to the outer edge, like a centrifuge. Mixing should be done before swirl is added, and the swirl should be designed to give more dwell time before the flame exits the stove.</div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_34139">1--As you say, a forced air fan may not be necessary. It may work as natural draft. </div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_34537">2—You will need more than a thermal couple, you will need a thermal pile to run a radio. Check the power levels.</div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_34535">4—The capacitor will need to be charged. Hopefully it can hold enough energy to run the fan for the duration of the burn, 30 minutes to an hour+. TEGs might be a better choice.</div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45531">5—Conservation of energy, you cannot make 10 watts out of 5 watts. When your volts go up, your amps go down, and watts remain the same (minus heat loss). Power (watts) = (volts)(amps).</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7642" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6684" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal">Kirk H.</div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29741"> </div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45521"> </div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45520"> </div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45517">Sent from <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45516" target="_blank" href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45508"> </div><div class="yiv7325159338yqt8889686526" id="yiv7325159338yqt68704"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29748" style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29747" style="border:none;padding:0in;"><b>From: </b><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:peetersfrans@telenet.be" target="_blank" href="mailto:peetersfrans@telenet.be">peeters frans</a><br clear="none"><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, June 1, 2019 2:58 PM<br clear="none"><b>To: </b><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:dhanhurley@rocketmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:dhanhurley@rocketmail.com">'DHAN HURLEY'</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29746" ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'</a><br clear="none"><b>Cc: </b><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:boll.bn@t-online.de" target="_blank" href="mailto:boll.bn@t-online.de">Boll, Martin Dr.</a>; <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45523" ymailto="mailto:franke@cruzio.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:franke@cruzio.com">franke@cruzio.com</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Stoves] Dhan Hurley..... TLUD enhancements.... Why aren'tthere any comments, except from what it seems is a Venture Capital Company?</div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7364" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45515"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Dear DHAN,</span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6842" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> It looks like ,you have lots of dreams on principles ,</span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29750"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29749" style="color:#1F497D;">But reality is mV for thermocouples and WATTS for ENERGY , with VOLT and low amps ,you light only dreams . So speak about a working realization…..</span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> At 12 y my dream was making a bicycle light ,as strong as a cars light with an induction coil and car bulb ……I could make 12 V out of 6 V, but the light was lower …!</span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45512"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45511" style="color:#1F497D;">Why ? POWER is not transformed !!!</span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29916"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29915" style="color:#1F497D;"> Copper/iron constantan is the thermocouple with the most millivolt. Ni/ CrNi most used .</span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> We think the burn-speed is most important for a TLUD STOVE and see 3 zones 0-400° C/ 400-800 ° C/800°-1200° C .</span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7367" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7366" style="color:#1F497D;">In a SOUTH AFRICAN UNIV. You find Mr CRISPINS stove designs ! For the NGO world !Africa /Asia</span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45527"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_45526" style="color:#1F497D;">Not a venture company !</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6847" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Regards,</span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29914"><span style="color:#1F497D;">F.</span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6912" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29757"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29756" style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29755"><b><span lang="NL">Van:</span></b><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6849" lang="NL"> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces@lists.bioenergylists.org] <b>Namens </b>DHAN HURLEY<br clear="none"><b>Verzonden:</b> zaterdag 1 juni 2019 19:02<br clear="none"><b>Aan:</b> stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org<br clear="none"><b>Onderwerp:</b> [Stoves] Dhan Hurley..... TLUD enhancements.... Why aren't there any comments, except from what it seems is a Venture Capital Company?</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29909"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29768"><div id="yiv7325159338"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_16418"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_16417"><div class="yiv7325159338yqt8889686526" id="yiv7325159338yqt90844"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559399310191_69761"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559399310191_69767"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7369" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Hi from Tübingen, S. Germany.</span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559399310191_69828"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559399310191_69827"><div class="yiv7325159338yqt8889686526" id="yiv7325159338yqt75800"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">I sent the following email to </span></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_16891"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6907" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6906" style="font-size:18.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org">stoves@lists.bioenergylists.org</a> . Why aren't there any comments,</span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17882"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6908" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">except from what it seems is a Venture Capital Company?</span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17220"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6853" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17567"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17568"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17570"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17571"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29907" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29906"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29905"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29904" style="font-size:18.0pt;">I have been experimenting with TLUD's.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17573"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17574"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Using an insulating "jacket", i have been using ROCKWOOL with a wire mesh support, is an improvement.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17576"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17577"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17579"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17580"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29767" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29766"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29765"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29764" style="font-size:18.0pt;">My next improvements will be :-</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17582"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17583"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17585"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17586"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7372" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">1) </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17588"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17589"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">SPIRAL outer Air-Channels ( TUBES ) for increased air pre-heating.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17591"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17592"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6860" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6859"><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6858"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6857" style="font-size:18.0pt;">Also for creating a VORTEX ( CYCLONE ) EFFECT at the combustion site,</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17594"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17595"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6864" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6863"><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6862"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6861" style="font-size:18.0pt;">thus causing better combustion and a better suction of air into the TUBES.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17597"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17598"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">This would also enable a more compact and stable TLUD,good for camping etc.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17600"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17601"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17603"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17604"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">I will have to study some of my research into </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17606"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17607"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29899" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29898"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29897"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29896" style="font-size:18.0pt;">VIKTOR SCHAUBERGER's VORTEX and IMPLOSION technology.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17609"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17610"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17612"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17613"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6882" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6881"><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6880"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6879" style="font-size:18.0pt;">There is a high probability, that with the correct adaptations, </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17615"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17616"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29776" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29775"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29774"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29773" style="font-size:18.0pt;">a FAN ASSISTED air up-draft won't be necessary.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17618"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17619"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6869" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17621"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17622"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">2) </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17624"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17625"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">A THERMOCOUPLE,which is very cheap to buy or very simple and easy to make yourself,</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17627"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17628"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7377" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7376"><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7375"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7374" style="font-size:18.0pt;">even from readily available scrap materials, e.g. GRAPHITE and ALUMINIUM.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17630"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17631"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">This would provide more than the necessary power for a FAN, RADIO, TRANSMITTER,</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17633"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17634"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29892" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29891"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29890"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29889" style="font-size:18.0pt;">LIGHTS, BATTERY CHARGER etc.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17636"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17637"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17639"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17640"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">3)</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17642"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17643"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6876" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6875"><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6874"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_6873" style="font-size:18.0pt;">A SUPERCAPACITOR ( possibily ) instead of a BATTERY for powering the FAN when starting the stove,</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17645"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17646"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7381" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7380"><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7379"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7378" style="font-size:18.0pt;">also for storing excess electric charge,which can be used later.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17648"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17649"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29784" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29783"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29782"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29781" style="font-size:18.0pt;">A SUPERCAPACITOR is inexpensive and also very easy and simple to make yourself.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17651"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17652"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17654"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17655"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">4)</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17657"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17658"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Using a "JOULE THIEF" electronic ( Self-Resonant ) circuit(s) with 2) and 3) above.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17660"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17661"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29886" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29885"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29884"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29883" style="font-size:18.0pt;">This , again, is very inexpensive,simple and easy to make, even from scrap components.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17663"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17664"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">With this type of circuit you can increase the electric voltage output to whatever voltage</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17666"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17667"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">you want, within certain limits.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17669"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17670"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17672"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17673"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7385" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Sincerely,</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17675"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17676"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17678"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17679"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Dhan Hurley</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17681"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17682"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17684"><div class="yiv7325159338yqt8889686526" id="yiv7325159338yqt78019"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17685"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29791" style="background:white;"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29790" style="font-size:18.0pt;"> *******************************************************</span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17914"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29880" style="margin-bottom:.25in;background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17918"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.25in;background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">THE ONLY REPLY IS FROM</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:kchisholm-inter@uniserve.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kchisholm-inter@uniserve.com">kchisholm-inter@uniserve.com</a> :- </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_18543"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;">Hi Dhan</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_18547"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7390" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;">I am very impressed with your work, and thinking!!</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_18551"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7391" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;">I have an interesting proposal for you:</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_18555"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7392" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7395"><i id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7394"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7393" style="color:#1F497D;">1: I assign patent rights to you for an assemblage of ideas, relating to your work below, that could lead to a “world class patent”, in return for a 2% royalty on sales above $100,000.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_18557"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29797" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29796"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29795"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29794" style="color:#1F497D;">2: If you wish, I will do detailed design and construction of the system, and you would only pay for “out-of-pocket” costs that you approve beforehand.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_18561"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7396" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;"> How’s that sound to you?</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_18565"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7397" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;">Best wishes,</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_18569"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29875" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;"> Kevin Chisholm, P. Eng, (Mech.)</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_17922"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7399" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.25in;background:white;"><b><i><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></i></b><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7398" style="font-size:18.0pt;"> *************************************************************</span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25668"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7400" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25800"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">MY REPLY TO KEVIN CHISHOLM is below :-</span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25152"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25293"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29802" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Hi Kevin,</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25296"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">I thank you very much indeed for your kind and generous offer.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25299"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">To me, it seems better for me to release this without a Patent.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25302"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Anybody, including you,can create a business making these TLUD's</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25303"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">with the enhancements i have outlined below.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25304"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29871" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29870"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29869"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29868" style="font-size:18.0pt;">I know that designs can be patented.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25305"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25307"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">I am very open to donations for my present and future work.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25311"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7405" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25313"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">I know some Swiss people who designed an Oil Light ( Kerosene, etc. ) with a </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25315"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Thermo-Couple built into the top, named LUFO.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25317"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29809" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29808"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29807"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29806" style="font-size:18.0pt;">This was based on a Russian model from the Second World War.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25318"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">They patented the design, which had a radio and an electric power plug ( 7 volt ).</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25320"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">The United Nations said that they were interested.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25321"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7523" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">All that happened is that they were "played-with" for 6 years.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25322"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29864" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29863"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29862"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29861" style="font-size:18.0pt;">The person i knew had a debt of CHF 400,000, after that "run-around".</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25323"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7522" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25325"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7431" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">The excerpt below is from a very good site called <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://eagle-research.com/">https://eagle-research.com/</a> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25328"><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25415"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">, which makes and sells Brown's Gas machines, Kits, books etc.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://eagle-research.com/mission/patent-free/"><br clear="none"></a></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25460"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29858" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://eagle-research.com/mission/patent-free/"><br clear="none"></a></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25516"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7521" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://eagle-research.com/mission/patent-free/">https://eagle-research.com/mission/patent-free/</a></span></div></div></div><h1 id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29813" style="background:white;"><i><span style="">Patent Free</span></i><span style=""></span></h1><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7520" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center"><strong><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">MAKE MONEY WITHOUT PATENTING!!!</span></i></strong><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29819" style="background:white;"><b id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29818"><i id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29817"><span id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29816" style="font-size:18.0pt;">To continue inventing practical energy solutions, I make money immediately by selling books and kits, instead of spending thousands of dollars and years of time getting a patent. Investing the time and money into getting a patent does not give any guarantee you’ll make money. Selling books and product makes money immediately. Investing the time and money (that you would have spent acquiring a patent) into product development instead, will give you a much better chance of getting the product into the marketplace and give you money in your pocket. Not to say that patents aren’t an applicable tool in some situations, they just aren’t good for inventors in my situation. Nondisclosure agreements, trademarks and copyrights are inexpensive, fast, sufficient and reasonable protection.Several inventors have now seen what I’ve accomplished and are switching to my methods. </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center"><strong><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">CAN YOU FIGHT?</span></i></strong><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">A patent is only as good as your ability to fight for it. The patent office does not help you, except to provide a service to prove that you patented your device on a particular date. </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25350"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7527" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">You fight your opponent in court at your own expense. Your chance of winning is not assured because there are many slippery ways around the patent laws.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25355"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29853" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">So you may have paid lots of money getting a patent, set your marketing back several years because of secrecy and STILL not be able to prevent competition. In fact, you spend even more money (and time) trying to defend the undefendable.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25360"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Patents are an exceptionally bad idea for innovators with limited funds. Often Patents are ‘stolen’ and used without the innovators concent because the thief knows that the innovator does not have the money to take them to court.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25363"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">...................................................... continued</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25367"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25369"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29823" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25371"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Again, thank you for the your interest and work.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25372"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">I hope we can continue developing these and other devices.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25376"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7532" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Yours sincerely,</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25379"><div class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559579634120_29847" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">Dhan Hurley</span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25381"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7533" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><i><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;"></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7325159338yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559406998020_25382"><div class="yiv7325159338yqt8889686526" id="yiv7325159338yqt93548"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1559590683853_7534" class="yiv7325159338MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:.25in;background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:18.0pt;">DIASPORA COMMUNITY.... 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